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Old 12-05-2020, 13:31   #201
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He’s daft suggesting that as it’s not going to happen, it’s no different to a normal injury. But all clubs will think it. Are you saying you wouldn’t start to get worried if you started poorly and Trent, VVD and Alison for example all came down with it.
In normal circumstances - without a 25 point lead - possibly yes.

But, as you say, it is no different to having a couple key players injured at the same time.
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Old 12-05-2020, 19:30   #202
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They're getting desperate

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Turn your face away when tackled, players to be told in Wednesday's briefing to captains, senior players and managers
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That part was quite funny. Though it explicitly only applies to the first phase of training and NOT actual competitive games

But the stat about players only being within transmittable difference of each other for 88 seconds in any 90 minute match was interesting

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That part was quite funny. Though it explicitly only applies to the first phase of training and NOT actual competitive games

But the stat about players only being within transmittable difference of each other for 88 seconds in any 90 minute match was interesting
Still think its going to happen Adam?

Give Kop the title, relegate the bottom 3 and work on how they can start the new season.
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Well the rebels are slowly painting themselves into an ever decreasing corner but there are a few key meetings this week which still might away it.

All depends on how much the, clearly, rebel fed "the vast majority of players don't want to return" and "we won't play unless the grass and corner flags are disinfected" lines are bs. Every time you see stuff like that you don't have to look very far to find "all our players want to resume" from various clubs.
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Well the rebels are slowly painting themselves into an ever decreasing corner but there are a few key meetings this week which still might away it.

All depends on how much the, clearly, rebel fed "the vast majority of players don't want to return" and "we won't play unless the grass and corner flags are disinfected" lines are bs. Every time you see stuff like that you don't have to look very far to find "all our players want to resume" from various clubs.
So its all the 'rebels' fault, all none 'rebel' clubs have players all 100% keen on wanting to play yeah?

Why are they rebels for being worried anyway, what about Agüero he said he was worried is he a rebel and purposely wants to stop the league?

It might just be because people are worried about the health of themselves and their family's, sometimes peoples family's are more important than their job. Bonkers i know!
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Rebels as in the bottom 6 who are trying to avoid relegation

As I have said before - if players don't want to play then no one is forcing them. But conversely they shouldn't come out with stuff like "the majority of players in the league agree with me" because (a) it more than likely is nowhere near true, (b) there is no way they even know and (c) when push comes to shove again, more than likely, most of them will actually play.

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Old 13-05-2020, 21:19   #208
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They shouldn’t be forced to play but they should not be paid if they refuse.
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Yeh they've so far refused pretty much to take any sort of wage cut, so not really sure how players can refuse to play. I strongly doubt I'd be able to keep getting paid my meagre salary (comparably) if I simply refused to go to work.
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I did LOL at Troy Deaney playing 'billy big ********' this morning.

If Watford had any sense they'd be demanding he paid back his last 2 month's salary ( probably the best part of Ł1M ). He'd stopped laughing then pretty sharpish
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Seems more and more teams not in threat of relegation are not keen, they must be all rebels .
How long before Kop fans start claiming its a conspiracy, second only to Leeds fans for claiming the world is against them
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They shouldn’t be forced to play but they should not be paid if they refuse.

I guess they are covered by the same health and safety rules as the rest of us and as such they can legally refuse without penalty if they feel there is an imminent threat to their health and safety.

It is then on the clubs to show that all possible measures are in place to mitigate against any perceived threat, given the close contact I can’t see how clubs can show that.

On a separate point, the fact they are fit and healthy and probably at low risk doesn’t give the clubs a free pass.
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@Jez, Not sure where you are getting that from ?? It is still only the bottom 6 in the PL who are complaining

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League Two's season has been brought to an early conclusion following discussions between clubs and the English Football League on Friday.

The EFL said clubs "unanimously indicated" they wished to end the season via a "framework" that included tables being decided on points per game and the play-offs remaining as planned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52679614

Just do this. Then put football to bed until we can run a full season under the same conditions. Liverpool are Champions. Everyone stays up. Players and staff can get on with their lives and leave / sign for whoever they like and clubs can think about planning for next season, whenever that is.
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It is then on the clubs to show that all possible measures are in place to mitigate against any perceived threat, given the close contact I can’t see how clubs can show that.

On a separate point, the fact they are fit and healthy and probably at low risk doesn’t give the clubs a free pass.
There was a study released the other day - which all the players have seen - which shows that in the average 90 MINUTE game a player comes within a contaminated distance for just 88 SECONDS.

As some of the journos have pointed out recently, I also don't understand why footballers feel they are the only non-essential workers who should be allowed to refuse to return to work until they have been given guarantees that they will be safe. 10s of 1000s of non-essential workers returned to work this week without any guarantee. Anyone else tries that trick then they will be sacked - especially once the govt cuts its furlough payment in half shortly. Footballers are no different.

As the cliche goes - this is the new normal. Nobody can guarantee anything.

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Just do this. Then put football to bed until we can run a full season under the same conditions. Liverpool are Champions. Everyone stays up. Players and staff can get on with their lives and leave / sign for whoever they like and clubs can think about planning for next season, whenever that is.
You realise they still plan to promote the usual number of teams which means higher up leagues need to relegate.
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Scrap the league cup and play with bigger divisions. Relegate more teams next year.

If it's about sport, then the whole tournament needs to played under same / similar conditions. You can't really change the rules halfway through. Seems daft when the easy option is there. Nobody is taking the title off you, you won it, you deserve it. But this is just a 'going through the motions' exercise now. The season is over. Doesn't it feel like that to you? Football is a distant memory. Whatever comes next, whenever that is, should be something new.

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The end of the (football) season

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There was a study released the other day - which all the players have seen - which shows that in the average 90 MINUTE game a player comes within a contaminated distance for just 88 SECONDS.

As some of the journos have pointed out recently, I also don't understand why footballers feel they are the only non-essential workers who should be allowed to refuse to return to work until they have been given guarantees that they will be safe. 10s of 1000s of non-essential workers returned to work this week without any guarantee. Footballers are no different. As the cliche goes - this is the new normal. Nobody can guarantee anything.

The power dynamic is a lot different between your average worker and a premier league footballer, no one should be forced into working if they genuinely feel it’s unsafe but we all know your working class person has very little protection unless in a union.

Haven’t seen the report but it’s not just distance though is it, they’ll be touching multiple surfaces within the stadium as well as at training grounds, also given the NHS requires all the PPE it can get its hands on are clubs going to issue it every time there is a training session, team meeting, physio session and travel to and from stadiums.
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Wondered how the League 2 got the bottom club to agree. Basically they're not getting relegated as Bury went bust and they've got a spare space. So Barrow can still come up. They still intend to have play-offs and I also notice that the club at the top doesn't seem to have agreed they're not getting promoted.

All they seem to have done is create a headache for everyone else. But it also seems that this vote has to be ratified by the league and FA, they haven't actually done anything.

There doesn't seem to be a solution to any of this that will really please anybody, might be worth seeing how Germany gets on.
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Seems to me it's just Liverpool, Sky/BT and the FA that wish to 'complete' the campaign...nobody else could really give that much of a damn. Liverpool have won the title, whether we call the season now or stumble along in a farcical manner to finish the remaining games...and either way you're going to be stuck with that asterisk...so I don't see the incentive?! Sky/BT/FA is ALL about money, no integrity there whatsoever!

Football is coming across as a distasteful joke at the moment, just call it FFS!
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