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Old 28-11-2015, 23:03   #1
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Arrow Doctor Who - Heaven Sent

Bold, Brave, Bonkers, but Brilliant.

Not sure what the kids or non Big Who geeks would have made of it, but I enjoyed it a lot.

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Old 29-11-2015, 00:57   #2
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so he spent upwards of a billion years in a loop in order to punch his way through a diamond wall. Not the most "WhoLike" of solutions really.
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I thought he was jumping into the future each time he was 'killed'.. ?
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I thought he was jumping into the future each time he was 'killed'.. ?
Each time he reset in was around 7000 years on, and he made a tiny indent on the diamond face each time. It took him over 2 billion years to break through.
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Using the shovel instead of just fists might have saved him a lot of time. Call yourself a time lord Doctor...
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Using the shovel instead of just fists might have saved him a lot of time. Call yourself a time lord Doctor...
I thought he only reasilsed the repeating nature when he came face to face with the wall, so he couldn't have pre-planned it?

Still, if he used the shovel, he would have had to return it to the top of the tower, then go all the way back to the reset room. He might not have made it.
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I know, everything resets so he was compelled to do everything the same way each time. I just posted it because I thought it was funny.
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Each time he reset in was around 7000 years on, and he made a tiny indent on the diamond face each time. It took him over 2 billion years to break through.
I may have misread it, but I got the impression the cycle was continuous (the Doctor was very clear that the technology was only capable of transporting in space, not time). So the 2 billion years was made up of ~45 minute episodes - all the more devastating in retrospect.

There was no possibility of returning for the shovel - the Doctor's knowledge is reset too ('bird' being this story's Remember Sammy Jankis) and by the time he realised what he had to do he was penned in.

A quite astonishing story, though it stands to be either elevated or diminished next week when we - presumably - find out the 'why'.
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Pretty sure punching a wall 400 times stronger than diamond with a bare fist wouldn't make a dent, ever. Either that or Dr.Who punches harder than The Hulk.
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Each time he reset in was around 7000 years on, and he made a tiny indent on the diamond face each time. It took him over 2 billion years to break through.
I was asleep for most of it.. just rewatched it. Makes more sense now!

Very good episode.

I like that we didn't come in the start of his many lives. The thousands of his skull in the water is a brilliant touch..

Punching would wear down a 400x harder than diamond substance.. 400x times slower than it would wearing down a diamond. Just rubbing away atoms.
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He would have gotten through quicker if he'd punched a tunnel half the height and crouched through
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Very true, they didn't show the half billion years he spent kneeling and bashing at knee level, ignoring progress to create an even hole.

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I may have misread it, but I got the impression the cycle was continuous (the Doctor was very clear that the technology was only capable of transporting in space, not time). So the 2 billion years was made up of ~45 minute episodes - all the more devastating in retrospect.
I'm sure he said at one point, when he was testing the limits of the creature, that the longest time he was able to avoid it was 82 minutes.
Hmm will have to rewatch, so many subtle clues and points I've probably missed!
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Just wanted to say this was probably the best episode of Who with Capaldi, utterly fantastic and i wish more where like this
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Really enjoyable despite making little sense.
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Really enjoyable despite making little sense.
When I get some time when the kids are in bed I'll watch this one again.
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I'm sure he said at one point, when he was testing the limits of the creature, that the longest time he was able to avoid it was 82 minutes.
Hmm will have to rewatch, so many subtle clues and points I've probably missed!
Ah, I missed that. Of course there were a fair few ellipses and montages so perhaps the timeframe for one 'visit' was closer to a day or two.

The 2 billion year extension to the Doctor's life - albeit with a complete physical restoration and memory wipe every cycle - put me in mind of The Inner Light. Granted, Picard only lived another 40 years or so but in that case it was part of his actual living memory - good thing the Doctor couldn't remember his!
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Thought it was a great episode - although why weren't the skulls reset as well?

I am a bit confused about a few parts - but I hope next week will clear it up (I've deliberately not seen the trailer).
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Ah, I missed that. Of course there were a fair few ellipses and montages so perhaps the timeframe for one 'visit' was closer to a day or two.

The 2 billion year extension to the Doctor's life - albeit with a complete physical restoration and memory wipe every cycle - put me in mind of The Inner Light. Granted, Picard only lived another 40 years or so but in that case it was part of his actual living memory - good thing the Doctor couldn't remember his!
What a great comparison, never thought of that and I loved inner light.

When it started, and the voice over talked about a shadow, never resting, I thought they were going to recreate "It Follows".
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