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Old 24-04-2015, 09:58   #61
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What a shambles those in control of our game are, every one of them should go after the embarrassing last few weeks.

Doncaster shifting Hearts v Rangers to a different day from the other games, then having to swap back. Talk of extending the season for the play offs had Hibs made the SC final and had fixture congestion.

Inept referee performances, with McLean again making numerous mistakes during a game. Can totally understand the guy beside the goal not seeing it clearly but he was looking straight at it. He was also looking straight at it when the celtic keeper took the ICT player out towards the end and did nothing then too.

Peter Lawell sitting on the board at celtic and the SFA (dual interests) and writing a letter on celtic paper to himself seeking clarification - implying bias and pandering to the paranoid section of their support who believe everyone is out to get them.

Compliance officer - with no background in football - citing a player (due to Celtic/Lawell's pressure) and then being embarrassed when independent panel disagrees with him and also the former compliance officer. Same compliance officer failed to pick up Zaliukas's foul and who unsuccessfully tried to appeal a ban handed out to Rangers sub keeper and Dundee Utd striker a few weeks before that.

The hand ball ban only being sorted after FIFA coming out in support of the player. Prompting mass about turns from everyone connected with celtic from the manager to Lawell - who instigated the whole thing!

Regan trying to brush the last few days under the carpet and a season where there is no sponsor for the top league - better to have something rather than nothing at all.

McLean should be dumped down to the lower leagues, he shouldn't be given any big games to handle as he clearly struggles. Bias no - incompetent yes.

Every team gets decisions for and decisions against - it's part of the game and won't change unless we get replays during the game. Celtic get their fair share of favourable decisions. Ask any club and they will be able to run you a list as long as your arm with decisions that have gone against them but most forget the decisions that go for them.

Roll on the end of the season - and an SFA/SPFL clear out in the summer - we can only hope. I can see there being another poor tv deal when either Rangers or Hibs (or both) don't make it up to the SPL. Either another season without an OF game or no Edinburgh derby's would knock £'s off.
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Old 24-04-2015, 11:23   #62
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Its been shambolic, but to be fair its been like this for years. I can't believe Doncaster and Regan are still in place, but it just goes to show what an insipid state the Scottish game is in. Lots of clubs like to have a moan about things but no-one seems willing to make a stand and call these people out for the inept idiots they actually are.
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Old 24-04-2015, 17:10   #63
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Get your facts right fothy absolutely no u turn from anyone at Celtic, we asked why the decision was made that's all not for a player to be banned . And also there will never be another old firm game again as one half of it cease to exist.
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Perhaps you should keep peddling that line as the SFA and SPFL seem to think we are the same club and the Jim Spence of the BBC has had his knuckles rapped for suggesting we aren't the same.
http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/
All the honours are listed there, along with trophies for the last 2 seasons league wins.

If you don't see what Celtic done as massive backtracking after a spectacular own goal then you need to take your green specs off.
Oh and Joe O'Rourke, secretary of the CSA really takes the biscuit with his ranting emails to Stewart Regan -
http://www.thecsa.co.uk/showthread.php?t=790
Conspiracy theories, honestly?
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Old 25-04-2015, 01:08   #65
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Perhaps you should keep peddling that line as the SFA and SPFL seem to think we are the same club and the Jim Spence of the BBC has had his knuckles rapped for suggesting we aren't the same.
http://spfl.co.uk/clubs/rangers/
All the honours are listed there, along with trophies for the last 2 seasons league wins.

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Sigh, So your denying that Rangers Fc owing millions of pounds to creditors were liquidated a few years back.?
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Old 25-04-2015, 09:40   #66
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The company behind the club and the club are two different things.

Uefa think we are one and the same as our co-efficient points have carried over -http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2015.html

Dermot Desmond - “Rangers is a fantastic club with a great history,” he said. “With the support that they have, they will come back.
“They will, in not too long a time, be back in the SPL. I have no doubt about that.
“They’re needed for Scottish football because of their following and the size of the club and especially their history.”

BDO Liquidators – HMRC appointed
"It's important to understand that the appointment of liquidators will not mean the end of football at Ibrox - only the end of the company that ran the club,"
HMRC – “the liquidation route does not prejudice the proposed sale of the club. This sale can take place either through a CVA or a liquidation.”
SFL - "To everyone involved in the club and its remarkable and loyal fans Happy 140 years Anniversary.”
SPL- “it is an existing club, even if it is a new company”

NEIL DONCASTER has today insisted Rangers is the same club now as the one that existed pre-liquidation.
The SPFL chief executive has attempted to end the argument that has raged ever since the insolvency event of 2012.
He was emphatic in a Q&A session done with the BBC.
Doncaster said: “In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time.
“The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same.
"It’s the same club, absolutely.
“The member club is the entity that participates in our league and we have 42 member clubs.
“Those clubs may be owned by a company, sometimes it’s a Private Limited Company, sometimes it’s a PLC, but ultimately, the company is a legal entity in its own right, which owns a member club that participates in the league.
“It was put to bed by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission some while ago – it’s the same club.”


So still the most successful club in the world.
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Quoting Doncaster does a lot for your argument

Fact Rangers Football Club Were bought by sevco Scotland including their assets , business and history they then became The Rangers Football Club.

so you see the can never be an old firm game again.
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Selective reading there - the clue to the Doncaster quote was the bit in bold. UEFA co-efficient is as much proof that you could ever need.

Since we are on silly season just now though -

Haven't Celtic changed and transferred their company a number of times? Yep -so by your logic then it will be Sevco against HMS (402) or Pacific Shelf 595 next time they meet up.


Original 1897

Celtic plc – company number SC003487, incorporated in 1897, formerly called The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Limited

Newco 1994

The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Limited – company number SC153534, incorporated in 1994, formerly called Pacific Shelf 595 Limited

Newco 2001

Celtic FC Limited – company number SC223604, incorporated in 2001, formerly called HMS (402) Limited

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Looks Like The Rangers will have to beat QOS, Hibs and Motherwell if they want to get into the Scottish Premier League for the first time in their history
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Getting the last minute draw means there is still a slight chance we might be 2nd but only if we beat Hearts and Hibs don't win against Falkirk. On the showing at the weekend then a win against Hearts doesn't look likely but there is always a chance Hibs bottle might crash again!

To be honest, I don't really fancy us against QOS, they hammered us recently. I think this would be the hardest tie of all 3.

Seen a pic of the penalty from the Celtic Dundee Utd game with it being about 2 ft outside the box. Hopefully next season something will happen with the officials as the current lot are hopeless.
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Seen a pic of the penalty from the Celtic Dundee Utd game with it being about 2 ft outside the box. Hopefully next season something will happen with the officials as the current lot are hopeless.
The Sevco ridden media pointing to that decision to prop up their argument that ref errors all even themselves up. Ignoring the fact that one decision cost us a treble and that one at weekend was absolutely meaningless as we were 2-0 up with few mins left anyway
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Old 29-04-2015, 19:27   #72
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The media aren't out to help us! Failure to score again in the 2nd 45min cost you the treble.

I was bringing that the penalty decision from the other day not to say that it balances out but to show that it was a shockingly bad decision in a time when ref's are under more scrutiny. Don't take all the comments I make as a slur on your team, I'm quite level headed!
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4 games down in the playoff's and we are still in the running for promotion. Incredible considering the mess that McCall inherited. Thankfully Hibs strikers pretty much bottled it over the 2 games as they could have had a few. Scott McDonald will be a different prospect altogether in the next 2 games and will grab a few goals is given the same chances.
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Scotland's newest club fails in its attempt to win three promotions in a row. Getting absolutely pumped 6-1 over two legs by the top flights 2nd worse team. Moshni refuses to take defeat like a man and attacks Motherwell player like a street thug. All in all a very entertaining Sunday
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Glad they'll get one more season out of the top flight. Far too much of a sense of entitlement from their fans. No humility or admission that their club was the author of their own misfortune.

They are probably going to start next season on the right footing - hopefully without the prolifigate spending of the last 3 years (or should that be the last 30 years).

Get rid of the dead wood - buying back has been previous players was about the worst thing youse could have done.
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Rumours mosni has gotten himself arrested now - another pop at Erwin later on.
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Well beaten over the two legs although might have been a different story if we had capable forwards and a decent defence. Had enough chances at 0-0 in both games to put pressure on Motherwell but the team could still be out now and not have scored yet. Most of the goals came against the run of play but that shows how bad our defence is. The opening goal today sums up the this current squad.

Mosni is an idiot who won't be back at the club (along with hopefully 8-10 others). He was pushed from behind and reacted like an idiot. The other Motherwell player that joined in was just as bad. I've seen the clip from outside the stadium and there isn't any sort of assault in the one that I saw.

Of the bunch that were on the park today, I'd keep Murdoch and Walsh and not many others. McCoist has ruined his reputation with his management over the last few years. As hard as it may have been at times, he signed the majority of the squad so the buck stops with him.

The reason Rangers went into admin was because of Craig Whyte not paying the tax man. Rangers won the "big tax case" so talk of our spending over the last 30 years being why we are down isn't true.

Most fans I know are happy enough having another season in the championship and are against talk of a rushed league reconstruction (expanding to 16 being mentioned, presumably to appease the new sponsors). We have a big rebuilding job to do with hopefully most of the current bunch leaving so another year in the championship isn't the end of the world. Whoever the new manager is will almost have a fresh slate to start with and I think we will be made up with relatively cheap/bosman/young players next season.
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I'd like an 18 team league. It'll never happen, but I'm bored of seeing the same teams over and over, and the split each year just feels wrong.

I agree that Whyte is a big reason for being liquidated but you have overspent ever since Murray took over. Even after being liquidated you overspent heavily. You nearly went back into admin - primarily because everyone connected with the club, has this sense of entitlement.

Your club was mismanaged for a very long time, and Whyte was the final nail in the coffin. He gambled your future to pay off huge loans that were racked up by previous owners/management.

The fans have fought every board since Whyte took over - initially welcoming the replacement, before realising ng you were being fleeced again. I just can't help but think the current board will be the same.

You should win it next year though.
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18 was also what I was in favour of too, 34 games and no split. Unfortunately too many clubs were interested in 2 potential home matches against the OF so it was never going to happen. I still think it should happen however what I'm against is a rushed job in the summer to bring Rangers and Hibs up.

We did spend millions in the Murray years however we had cut our debt and were steadily on the way to managing it and it was dropping every year. The issue was Craig Whyte claimed he would wipe the debt out with his money and showed Murray he had these funds, however the money had come from Ticketus who he had duped as they had given him the money before he had control of the club - so clearly fraud. For whatever reason Lloyds decided to start trying to get the loan pulled in very quickly, suggestions being that it was someone high up with an agenda against Rangers. Just in 2013, Celtic were benefiting from Co-op to the tune of £21m at a rate of 1.65% and £12m overdraft facility at 1.5% so their debt level was pretty similar to Rangers. They also have loans from Desmond which he isn't in any rush to get back. Think it's 2019 by the time the co-op loans have to be paid back so plenty time and they are at such a low rate there is no point trying to pay them back early, but the sale of players for big money and replacing them with cheaper alternatives is how they are managing their debt and this is what Rangers should be aiming to do too. Neither Rangers or Celtic wanted to think of themselves as a stepping stone club, I hated seeing our best players leave unless it felt like a step up but we couldn't compete with the money of bottom of the league Premiership clubs.

We nearly went back into admin as the last board with Green and the Easdales didn't have the clubs interests at heart and were just using it to take money out the club - ridiculous wages/bonuses and the farce with Ashley which basically amounts to asset stripping.

The difference (hopefully) with the current board is that they are fans of the club and King has already put in about £30m in the past with little to no return from it. He isn't in this to make money cause he most definitely won't make anything!

We'll see about next season, depends on who leaves, who stays and who becomes the manager. Most of us want a big clear out of players as the way McCoist went about the promotion was all wrong and he spent money we didn't need to spend and bought a lot of players we didn't need. Under a different coach they may have performed differently however training methods under him seem to have been a laugh and a kickabout.

Next year will be tough, we were fortunate in the 2 legs with Hibs as their strikers were bloody awful and missed a load of chances. If we manage to sign Scott Allan from them then that would be a massive boost to us and loss to them. Season tickets should be back up next season as fans have more faith in this board, as they tried to starve the last board out.
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Most fans I know are happy enough having another season in the championship and are against talk of a rushed league reconstruction (expanding to 16 being mentioned, presumably to appease the new sponsors). .
There's no way league reconstruction will happen this year.

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If we manage to sign Scott Allan from them then that would be a massive boost to us and loss to them .
He's still got a 1 year left on his contract at Hibs, can Rangers afford him?
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