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Old 23-01-2012, 10:52   #1
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Question Popular ISPs and streaming services.

This might be a stupid question but with the rise of streaming (netflix, xbox live etc) how do so many major ISPs justify their sometimes tiny 10GB monthly limits when they are simply unfeasible? Obviously, you get what you pay for but how are the many thousands of "regular" households using these popular ISPs meant to get onboard with the new content delivery services without major issues like changing ISPs and incurring massive charges they might not be aware of?
Just wondering really.
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Old 23-01-2012, 12:50   #2
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Question is has BT expanded its bandwidth capacity and reduced charges to the ISPs for it as otherwise unlimited will mean unlimited charges
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Old 23-01-2012, 13:03   #3
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I'm afraid that the streaming content model will eventually result in us using broadband as we do electric
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- just bought into BT's infinity package with its unlimited offer - and the prospect that next year speeds will be up to 80mb - faster BB - more activity
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Old 23-01-2012, 13:58   #4
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This is exactly what I mean, with broadband used for so much already, how are such tiny allowances justified? Surely totally unlimited should be the norm otherwise what's the point of launching streaming to the mass market (with presumably the aim of making it a major content provider)?
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Old 23-01-2012, 14:03   #5
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It's just another example of how outdated and out of touch the view of the Internet is from major companies.
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Old 23-01-2012, 14:23   #6
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This is exactly what I mean, with broadband used for so much already, how are such tiny allowances justified? Surely totally unlimited should be the norm otherwise what's the point of launching streaming to the mass market (with presumably the aim of making it a major content provider)?
Plenty of people aren't interested in streaming and downloading so they don't need unlimited services - and more to the point they don't want to pay for them.

That said, I went to a presentation late last year and one section of it was on future capacity:
a) the forecast increase in bandwidth requirements due to customer demand is many multiples of current usage
b) though customers aren't prepared to pay more for their usage
c) challenge for internet providers is how to bridge the gap between customer expectations and the price they are prepared to pay - and it's a massive challenge undermining the feasibility of lots of providers.

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No it isn't, it's another example of geeks assuming the rest of the country use the web in the same way they do.

The vast majority of connected households use nowhere near the basic packages offered, if and when they do those packages will change.
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Old 23-01-2012, 14:25   #8
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There's a lot of companies who have been wanting to roll out services, only to be hampered by the infrastructure.

ISP's have been more than quick enough to take people's money to get them on board, but very few have invested this cash in actually improving the infrastructure - none moreso than BT.

Plus the whole "unlimited" when they mean capped needs to be dealt with as well.
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Old 23-01-2012, 14:43   #9
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No it isn't, it's another example of geeks assuming the rest of the country use the web in the same way they do.

The vast majority of connected households use nowhere near the basic packages offered, if and when they do those packages will change.
I'm not a gamer but can I assume that it eats a LOT of bandwidth and allowance for those that play online via xbox or whatever? Gamers number in their millions so that's not just "geeks" and might account for one or more people in a household on a regular ISP, no?

What about iplayer too? It's not just "geeks" using that and it eats up GBs of allowance easily and we are all encouraged to use it!

That's before you add in Netflix, Lovefilm etc. ALL of which are aimed at regular households (who might be on regular ISP packages with 10GB monthly limits) and not just "geeks". I just don't get how it's all supposed to work?

Take the current Netflix offer as an example. A free month and they want you to try it out. If you decide to watch say a season or more of 'Heroes' and you're on a regular ISP package, you're going to get a shock with the additional usage costs!

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Gaming eats very little bandwidth - however downloading those 1gb+ demos adds up.

It's the advent of streaming services that'll throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
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Gaming eats very little bandwidth - however downloading those 1gb+ demos adds up.
Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up for me!
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Plus game patches. A BF3 patch was, what, 2.07GB? Even just streaming youtube which can often be done in 720p, 1080p will eat up loads of bandwidth. It's wrong to say that it's just a minority of geeks using so much bandwidth.
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Yeah, I forgot about youtube, a perfect example of a site that eats up bandwidth really quickly and pretty much everyone wastes hours on there!
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I have a 100gb limit monthly and it was the main thing that made me worry about netflix. I'm keeping a close eye on my stats this month to see if we go over or not - in theory we shouldn't but the kids have discovered there are hundreds of episodes of Phineas and Ferb on there....
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Has anyone ever been 'told off'/capped/metred or been subject to excess bandwidth charges from one of the UK's major ISPs?

We're with BT on some sort of standard package - always have been - and download/stream a lot of stuff. I have no idea how much bandwidth we use (how do you measure it?), but have never had a virtual tap on the shoulder about our usage.
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No it isn't, it's another example of geeks assuming the rest of the country use the web in the same way they do.

The vast majority of connected households use nowhere near the basic packages offered, if and when they do those packages will change.
Gor the iPad for Xmas =

iplayer
ITVplayer
4oD
Sky anytime

Am watching things on this I would have never bothered with before - just cause I can - making Sunday tea - footie/rugby on the sky player - watched Sherlock in the evening plugged in to TV on iplayer - in bed - watched (?? - the thing about lawyers and angels on ITV)

haven't a clue how much bandwidth that lot ate up but that was just me on one day - totally changing our viewing habits
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How can you keep track of your usage with someone like BT.

Do they have a handy online chart for you?

Probably not
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How can you keep track of your usage with someone like BT.

Do they have a handy online chart for you?

Probably not
Yes they do........http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...QzWFRPaw%3D%3D
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