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Old 19-03-2010, 23:10   #1261
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I'm not seeing enough 'change' yet. It's feeling a bit rinse and repeat.
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Old 19-03-2010, 23:57   #1262
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Disappointing that it's not a new design, but I guess we shouldn't be too surprised that the BBC wanted to get their money's worth out of all those suits...

Tantalising Tardis glimpses! Looks a bit Cushingy (the inside, that is)...
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I think it's looking great now we're beginning to see a bit of the personality Smith brings to the character. What's the betting that the Doctor's relationship with Amy happens "out of sequence" a la River Song?
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I've had my hopes trampled far too many times under Russel T Davies to be remotely excited any more

But I really do hope that Moffatt brings quality back.
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I've had my hopes trampled far too many times under Russel T Davies to be remotely excited any more He's gone

But I really do hope that Moffatt brings quality back.
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I think it's looking great now we're beginning to see a bit of the personality Smith brings to the character. What's the betting that the Doctor's relationship with Amy happens "out of sequence" a la River Song?
I hope so, but right now it's look a little closer to his relationship with Madame de Pompadour.

Moffat's episodes so far have shown that he's not frightened to play around with the concepts of time travel (whereas RTD generally stuck to the TARDIS appearing in a certain period and having an adventure solely there), so hopefully we see some ongoing arcs about characters in different times.
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Old 20-03-2010, 18:30   #1267
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I'm not seeing enough 'change' yet. It's feeling a bit rinse and repeat.
I doubt any changeds will be that dramatic anyway. Even if Moffat wanted to be radical, he'll have to keep things steady for his first season just to keep the BBC bignuts on his side.
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Old 20-03-2010, 19:40   #1268
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whereas RTD generally stuck to the TARDIS appearing in a certain period and having an adventure solely there.
Hasn't Dr Who always been like that?

However i agree that we have a TARDIS and not have some real fun with time/space travel.
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I doubt any changeds will be that dramatic anyway. Even if Moffat wanted to be radical, he'll have to keep things steady for his first season just to keep the BBC bignuts on his side.
Stories that are actually stories, coherent within themselves, is all I really ask from the new series, plus less Tom and Jerry music. To be fair, Moffat's record on all of the above within the Davies era is excellent so I'm going into this with high hopes.
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Hasn't Dr Who always been like that?

However i agree that we have a TARDIS and not have some real fun with time/space travel.
I suspect it has always been like that, but the Girl in the Fireplace and Blink had some interesting time travel aspects and I'd like to see more (although, come to think of it, neither had anything to do with the TARDIS' time travel capabilities). River Song's appearances should hopefully provide some nice temporal conflict.
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Quite liked the quick cut of what looked like a Spitfire or Hurricane WWII fighters dog-fighting in outer space! (Aviation experts feel free to correct me.) Looked a better trailer than the 3D one from a few weeks back.
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Another trailer, for BBC America

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That's a better trailer, although I'm not sure I like Smiths voice over. Let's hope it was recorded just for the trailer.
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Old 21-03-2010, 10:37   #1274
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Dr Who has mostly been that sticking in one time with time travel but there are quite a few exceptions and there mostly bloody good stories as well:
City of Death (written by Douglas Adams), Day of the Daleks (generally despised but I like it), Face of Evil (you don't see him timetravel but he's unravelling a past mistake), The Chase (just a dalek run around, nothing great), The Time Meddler (very dated), The War Games (fights through different zones each one of them has soldiers from a different era transported into it, troughton's last story), Pyramids of Mars (has a great sequence where he shows the companion why you can't just leave whilst the story is happening 'we know everything turns out alright don't we?'), Castrovalva (Peter Davisons first, a story based on the art of Escher and if I remember rightly contains timeloops), Earthshock (for its ending), Timelash (generally regarded as poo, but I didn't think it was that bad), Ghost Light (about evolution if that counts, very dense story, very Good though) and Curse of Fenric. The last two were about the only tiem classic Who bothered to develop a companion as we see bits of her past.

Also can't remember if they had much time travel but there are a few classic stories with Time in them: Time Monster, Time Warrior, Time and the Rani, The Invasion of Time (read: invasion of gallifrey),and thne you've got the anachronism of Invasion fo the Dinosaurs.

So if we included all of them thats 17 out of 186 classic stories (if I remember rightly). Not many as I said. I'm assumnig you know the new WHo ones like Fathers Day.
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Having flicked through the discontinuity guide (a great guide to old who) came up with a couple more The Ark and the Gunfighters (this is the only existing old who i havent seen, seems the Doctor is trying to change time in it). There are other bits here and there which I didn't include in the list like stories where for instance it ends in a fire and we pull back to see 'pudding lane' as this is all set in one time - just linknig it to a famous event, and characters meeting themselves - Two Doctors, Three Doctors, Five Doctors and Mawdryn Undead (two Brigadeers). You've also got things like Talons of Weng CHiang where the bad guy has come from the future, which i didn't include because you don't see it, its only in dialogue and the whole story is set in the one time.
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Old 21-03-2010, 14:20   #1276
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That BBC American trailer isn't the greatest quality but it really shows off how good this show is going look. The shot choices are very nice. Have they got new cinematographer/director guys in? It's going to show up the RTD stuff no end.

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Old 21-03-2010, 19:05   #1277
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That's a better trailer, although I'm not sure I like Smiths voice over. Let's hope it was recorded just for the trailer.
Its not recorded for the trailer and is taken from various episodes, some of which have been mentioned in set reports on other Who sites.

HAve to say the more I have heard and seen Smith over the last week the more I have looked forward to seeing him as the Doctor.
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I don't think there will many changes apart from 1 important change, better written stories that don't rely on convenient plot device to save the day
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Dr Who has mostly been that sticking in one time with time travel but there are quite a few exceptions and there mostly bloody good stories as well:
City of Death (written by Douglas Adams), Day of the Daleks (generally despised but I like it), Face of Evil (you don't see him timetravel but he's unravelling a past mistake), The Chase (just a dalek run around, nothing great), The Time Meddler (very dated), The War Games (fights through different zones each one of them has soldiers from a different era transported into it, troughton's last story), Pyramids of Mars (has a great sequence where he shows the companion why you can't just leave whilst the story is happening 'we know everything turns out alright don't we?'), Castrovalva (Peter Davisons first, a story based on the art of Escher and if I remember rightly contains timeloops), Earthshock (for its ending), Timelash (generally regarded as poo, but I didn't think it was that bad), Ghost Light (about evolution if that counts, very dense story, very Good though) and Curse of Fenric. The last two were about the only tiem classic Who bothered to develop a companion as we see bits of her past.

Also can't remember if they had much time travel but there are a few classic stories with Time in them: Time Monster, Time Warrior, Time and the Rani, The Invasion of Time (read: invasion of gallifrey),and thne you've got the anachronism of Invasion fo the Dinosaurs.

So if we included all of them thats 17 out of 186 classic stories (if I remember rightly). Not many as I said. I'm assumnig you know the new WHo ones like Fathers Day.
Cool thanks, will have to check a few of these out, starting with City of Death methinks (big Hitch Hiker's fan).
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I'm not really sure what Cliff's point is - few of those stories actually deal with multiple points in time as crucial elements of the premise running throughout the story (War Games/Mawdwyn/Day of the Daleks excepted...) And it's a bit desperate just to list stories with "time" in the title

This is one of the things that I applaud about the new series - it's pushed the concept of the show far more in five years than the classic series managed in 25.

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