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Old 24-07-2008, 16:47   #1
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Do you think that with the Oscars awarded to Titanic in '98 underminded the Oscars?

Looking back on it its hard to see how it managed to get so many. The sinking of the ship was well staged and the effects were excellant, but the love story was nothing we hadn't seen before. Were the judges all caught up with all the general fuss at the time, and ended up juging it on ticket sales more than substance.
I still cannot understand how LA confindential wasnt more recognized at the time. Anyone feel this made a lasting dent on the Oscars or were their films before that you felt were unworthy of such treatment?
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Old 24-07-2008, 16:52   #2
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Kate Winslet's tits were nice.
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Old 24-07-2008, 16:52   #3
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Has it taken you 10 years to think up this topic?
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Love Titanic. Think it probably got a few more Oscars than were actually deserved, looking at what it was up against, but surely Hollywood had to be seen backing such an expensive film?
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Old 24-07-2008, 16:56   #5
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Yes, for me it did undermine the Oscars but now I realise it was really a reality check for me as to what an oscar really is, that an Oscar isn't really about the best in film-making it's about popularity or being rewarded for simply achieving something (that people thought was impossible). Titanic was suppossed to be a mega-flop and a true disaster of cinema (read anything from the 3 years upto it's release and it's written off by most as a folly) but it became the opposite and was rewarded for that. It made money, people loved it, the whole industry reaped the benefit (as it got people back into cinemas who hadn't been for many years).
No I don't think it deserved it's wins but I can see why it got them. Plus with each year that passes I don't mind it so much as a film, in fact I kind of enjoy it now instead of being angered by it.
There's no question that L.A. Confidential is the "better" film but what's done is done.
Look at this year where arguably the absolute best film of the year (Zodiac) didn't even managed to get one nomination! Titanic taught me not to take the oscars seriously and for that I am grateful.

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Was that the year when Helen Hunt won when it should have actually been Dame Judi?

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Looking back on it its hard to see how it managed to get so many. The sinking of the ship was well staged and the effects were excellant, but the love story was nothing we hadn't seen before. Were the judges all caught up with all the general fuss at the time, and ended up juging it on ticket sales more than substance.
I still cannot understand how LA confindential wasnt more recognized at the time. Anyone feel this made a lasting dent on the Oscars or were their films before that you felt were unworthy of such treatment?
Oscars have a tendency to be very touch and go, but with regards to James Cameron's Titanic (1997) I must admit I don't understand the huge backlash it suffered soon after its success.

Ooh...I feel one of my mini-reviews coming on...

Titanic (Cameron, 1997):
Despite its three hour run time, it's extraordinarily well paced. The first half (i.e. the stuff before the iceberg) allows for a magnificently epic set up of characters and environment against the backdrop of a wonderfully sensitive and genuinely engaging love story. There really was no other way to make such a Hollywood blockbuster about the RMS Titanic that would remain dramatically engaging, whilst also being emotionally moving to a mass audience. I mean, he manages to turn one of the biggest tragedies in popular history into a film with an almost transcendentally happy ending. That's no easy task.

To me, Titanic cements James Cameron's place as one of the master storytellers in mainstream film. He makes it look so damn easy, and it drives me mad.

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Old 24-07-2008, 17:32   #8
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No, just to spell-check it.
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Old 24-07-2008, 17:35   #10
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The Oscars have been undermined from way before Titanic picked up 11.

Certainly in the Best Picture and Best Director categories they seem to get it wrong more often than they get it right. Ultimately people don't care as long as they pick one up sooner or later. Paul Newman doesn't care he won one for The Color of Money, and not The Hustler. Scorsese probably isn't too worried about his losses for Raging Bull and Goodfellas, even though the movie he finally got the award for isn't fit to lick their boots.
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The Oscars were undermined when South park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut lost out on the score to Phil ******* Collins and Tarzan, another nail in Disneys 2d coffin.
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Old 24-07-2008, 17:49   #12
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The Oscars have never had any worth other than as a reminder of what did boffo box office that year, who's politically popular with the Academy and as a reminder what forgettable bit of crap that hasn't stood the test of time got rewarded over a bona fide classic - Rocky beating out Taxi Driver, Network and All the President's Men, Ordinary People beating Raging Bull. Kramer Vs. Kramer, ffs.

The roller coaster ride celebration of mass death that was Titanic is merely a footnote in that list of solecisms.

Hitch never won, Kubrick never won, but a whole host of forgettables and forgottens have one in their water closet.
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Think I've found the biggest joke of the past 15 years. Best Picture for 1994:

Forrest Gump - Paramount Pictures - Wendy Finerman, Steve Tisch, Steve Starkey
o Four Weddings and a Funeral - Channel Four Films, PolyGram Film Entertainment, Working Title Films - Duncan Kenworthy
o Pulp Fiction - A Band Apart, Jersey Films, Miramax Films - Lawrence Bender
o Quiz Show - Baltimore Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, Wildwood Enterprises - Michael Jacobs, Julian Krainin, Michael Nozick, Robert Redford
o The Shawshank Redemption - Castle Rock Entertainment, Columbia Pictures Corp. - Niki Marvin
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Rocky winning over Taxi Driver.

Terms Of Endearment over Raging Bull.

They havent been credible in my lifetime.


Anephric said it before me and correctly too

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oh and Halle Berry being nominated, nevermind wining!
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I thought she was great in Monsters Ball

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The English Patient!

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Oscars have a tendency to be very touch and go, but with regards to James Cameron's Titanic (1997) I must admit I don't understand the huge backlash it suffered soon after its success.

Ooh...I feel one of my mini-reviews coming on...

Titanic (Cameron, 1997):
Despite its three hour run time, it's extraordinarily well paced. The first half (i.e. the stuff before the iceberg) allows for a magnificently epic set up of characters and environment against the backdrop of a wonderfully sensitive and genuinely engaging love story. There really was no other way to make such a Hollywood blockbuster about the RMS Titanic that would remain dramatically engaging, whilst also being emotionally moving to a mass audience. I mean, he manages to turn one of the biggest tragedies in popular history into a film with an almost transcendentally happy ending. That's no easy task.

To me, Titanic cements James Cameron's place as one of the master storytellers in mainstream film. He makes it look so damn easy, and it drives me mad.

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Me and max haven't seen eye to eye on other films but I have to agree entirely with this. Everyone thought this was going to be a stinker but somehow it turned out to a quality mainstream blockbuster and as Harsin says they even through in Winslet's best feature!
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oh and Halle Berry being nominated, nevermind wining!
That had slipped my mind. Christ on a bike.
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