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Old 10-02-2005, 18:26   #1
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DVD Audio/SACD players and problems with bass? Is it all players?

I want to get a Pioneer DV-575A player, but I've seen mention in the post of problems with no bass on playback of SACD's or DVD audio. Is that a fault in the player or just how the disks are? I saw mentioned that some disks are only 5.0 so don't have a bass channel (so obviously for a surround system with bass and satellites it will sound bad).

Do all players have the same problem? If it is a fault with the Pioneer player, is it something that could be fixed by a later firmware upgrade (presumably as it's sold as a dvdaudio & sacd player Pioneer would be required to fix it)?

I can place my order once I know what to get...!

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It's the Pioneer player - as the sound is passed to the amp via analogue connections then the bass management needs to be handled at the player level rather than within the amp.

I had this player, and found the lack of bass management a problem, so switched to a Denon DVD-2900 which has full management - the difference was significant.

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What do you mean by analogue connections? Do you have to connect 6 seperate outputs for the dvd audio in addition to the digital coax for DD/DTS?
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I've spoken at length on the phone with the 575 specialist at Pioneer UK about the bass issue. He has no solution, and basically said it's a problem with the player and there is no fix that he can fix of.
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Should they not be withdrawing or fixing it then? Surely they shouldn't be selling it as a dvd audio player if it can't play them! Amazing it's won loads of magazine awards but they didn't realise the problem! Is it with all dvd audio disks and SACD too?

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Old 10-02-2005, 23:04   #6
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What do you mean by analogue connections? Do you have to connect 6 seperate outputs for the dvd audio in addition to the digital coax for DD/DTS?

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Old 11-02-2005, 07:43   #7
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I didn't realise dvd audio & sacd had to connect like that. I assumed they used the same connection as DD & DTS. I presume all players connect like that then? Why is that? Not enough bandwidth through the digital connection for 6 channels of dvd audio?

Hmmm. Not sure what to do now. The Pioneer looked ideal.... plays divx, all dvdrs, prog scan, component outs and is a nice thin unit. DVD Audio & sacd are not essential, but I was thinking ahead and over the next few years I may want these features. I've not seen any other players that fit the all the above. Does anyone know of any? It needs to be fairly thin to fit into my cabinet (my current player is a Tosh SD420 which is slowly dying on me)?

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I only have a Nine Inch Nails disc, but I have the SACD and DVD-Audio version of it, and both discs have the same problem. It is easily demonstrated by switching from the DVD-Audio section to the DVD--Video section and listening to the dolby 5.1 mix. It is extremely bass heavy, where the DVD-Audio version has virtually no bass whatsoever. The guy I spoke to at Pioneer straight away tried to blame the discs every time I rang him.
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It would appear that the term DVD Audio can be used very loosely by manufacturers when it comes to hardware.

Like my Panny E55 recorder - states DVD Audio compatible - then when you check further, you find it's only 2 channels!

Looks to me like DVD Audio is not going to 'catch on' in a mass market way.

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I only have a Nine Inch Nails disc, but I have the SACD and DVD-Audio version of it, and both discs have the same problem. It is easily demonstrated by switching from the DVD-Audio section to the DVD--Video section and listening to the dolby 5.1 mix. It is extremely bass heavy, where the DVD-Audio version has virtually no bass whatsoever. The guy I spoke to at Pioneer straight away tried to blame the discs every time I rang him.
Allan,

on a side note can you tell me where you got the NIN DVD-A version please?

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I got them from amazon.com, as the UK version doesn't seem to be out till June over here.
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I'm thinking my Sammy HD-945 is plagued with the same problems as the pioneer.

DVD-A performance is poor to say the least, absolutely no bass what so ever.

SACD is fine though, plenty of bass & detail.

What I can't remember is how my Pioneer 565 used to handle DVD-A discs. I'm sure it used to kick out a lot of bass, but I can't remember what I did to get those results.

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the nine inch nails SACD is readily available from CD-wow.com - it actually came out in the UK on monday! Great packaging,too!
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Is SACD 5.1 too, or can you just use stereo channels?
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They normally come with 5.1 and Stereo mixes. You can choose which to listen to in the player setup.
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I didn't realise dvd audio & sacd had to connect like that. I assumed they used the same connection as DD & DTS. I presume all players connect like that then? Why is that? Not enough bandwidth through the digital connection for 6 channels of dvd audio?
It requires specialist decoding for DVD Audio and SACD. The player does it and then the analogue signal is sent out to the amp.

There are some expensive amps that can decode SACD and DVD Audio from a digital connection. This is done using a connection such as HDMI between player and amp. It can carry multi channel sound including the DD and DTS sound.
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Old 11-02-2005, 19:05   #17
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I think you have to use analogue connections because of copy protection. Any some players use a firewire link to do it digitally.
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OK. Thanks.

You guys have put me off getting the Pioneer, but then changed my mine about needing dvd-audio & sacd! So I think I will still go for it, unless someone can suggest a better player to go for....!

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If you do decide that you don't want the two formats then the DV 470 is the same as the DV 575 minus the two audio capabilties. I went for a Sony NS585 instead of a 575 as I don't need SACD and DVD Audio.

The Sony NS955 is a great DVD player and has SACD.
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Old 11-02-2005, 19:50   #20
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Sounds like the DV470 is the same full stop if the two audio capabilities of the 575 don't work!

Does the Sony play divx, etc? I'm looking to connect my Tivo to my network and want to back up recordings to divx.

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