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Old 04-12-2004, 03:26   #141
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Bond is Dead. RIP BOND.
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Old 04-12-2004, 18:13   #143
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Why? Because Salmon is considered a good choice?
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Old 04-12-2004, 18:15   #144
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Salmon is a good actor, but such a fundamental change to Flemings character (he'd be turning in his grave) would mean the death of what little Bond there is.

Actually, Salmon is an ok actor, nothing special.

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Salmon is a good actor, but such a fundamental change to Flemings character (he'd be turning in his grave) would mean the death of what little Bond there is.

Actually, Salmon is an ok actor, nothing special.
I'd go the other way. I think Salmon's a poor actor but without fundamental change what's the point in change at all??

Why not have a "black" Bond? I see no problem in that.

I do see a problem with Salmon. I don't rate him. But if there's a great black actor who can do it justice then great IMO.
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Why not have a "black" Bond? I see no problem in that.
Why not just make Shaft then?
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I still say Kiefer Sutherland would make a great Bond - and there's your fundamental change, as well.

Michael Vartan would also be a good prospect I feel.

I think it should just be wholely 'Americanised', to give it a real blockbuster feel. You may well lose some fans, but a lot more would be gained.
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I can't see Colin Salmon being the next 007. While the liberal among us would readily accept a black actor in the role, the fact is that much of the audience would not. Bond is a commercial property and regardless of the merits of the lead actor, the studio would not allow such a radical shift.
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I still say Kiefer Sutherland would make a great Bond - and there's your fundamental change, as well.

Michael Vartan would also be a good prospect I feel.

I think it should just be wholely 'Americanised', to give it a real blockbuster feel. You may well lose some fans, but a lot more would be gained.

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I think it should just be wholely 'Americanised', to give it a real blockbuster feel. You may well lose some fans, but a lot more would be gained.
That has been done: xXx
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Why not just make Shaft then?
So are you saying a black man can't personify a very english spy?

Shaft is a wholly different prospect?
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I still say Kiefer Sutherland would make a great Bond - and there's your fundamental change, as well.

Michael Vartan would also be a good prospect I feel.

I think it should just be wholely 'Americanised', to give it a real blockbuster feel. You may well lose some fans, but a lot more would be gained.
No point calling it Bond then.

It's the British nature of it that gives it the appeal, even to Americans. Americanise it and it's no longer Bond, so not point calling it that.


A black Bond might work but you'd have to make a major change to the series to justify it to sort of say "this is a fresh new start, forget everything that's gone before", otherwise you'll just endlessly compare Bonds and find it hard to believe in a colour change (just as you would with a sex change). Or you could go to the extent of saying that "James Bond" is a code word for 007 and over the years Bond retires, dies or gets killed in action and is replaced by another who takes up the same name . That way you'd have a licence to fill the roll with whoever you like. Though a woman would find it hard with a name like James Bond

Of course Felix Lieter did become black in Never Say Never Again but then you can forgive that as it was not a Danjaq/Eon/MGM/UA production.

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A black Bond might work but you'd have to make a major change to the series to justify it to sort of say "this is a fresh new start, forget everything that's gone before", otherwise you'll just endlessly compare Bonds and find it hard to believe in a colour change (just as you would with a sex change).
There are differences, sometimes rather significant, between the way Connery, Moore, Lazenby, Dalton and Brosnan played Bond, and very few of them had to do with where they were born or what colour their skin was. I don't see how being black would be more of a change to the character than being Australian - the producers aren't exactly going to have Salmon acting like a gangsta, are they?

Whilst I can see Salmon as an excellent, gentlemanly support, I don't know if he's got the charisma to carry Bond. Let's see some of his range when he appears in Woody Allen's next.
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There may well be differences between the Bonds to date, but the fact is that they were playing the same man. Suddenly pretending that he's black and/or been black all along is going to push the audience's suspension of disbelief beyond its limits.

Let's be real about this, it's not going to happen. The studios aren't going to mess about with the core attributes of the Bond franchise. These days it's nothing more than a cash cow and no studio in its right mind would sanction such a radical transformation of the 'brand'.
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So are you saying a black man can't personify a very english spy?

Shaft is a wholly different prospect?
What I mean is Bond is not black and Shaft is not white. I don't agree with people changing key points about characters. Should Bonds favourite drink be changed to a Bacardi and coke? No of course it shouldn't. It wouldn't be Bond, would it.
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Michael Vartan would also be a good prospect I feel.
A French Bond may be pushing things too far
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What I mean is Bond is not black and Shaft is not white. I don't agree with people changing key points about characters. Should Bonds favourite drink be changed to a Bacardi and coke? No of course it shouldn't. It wouldn't be Bond, would it.
I would argue that while Shaft's ethnicity is an essential part of his character - he's a representation of the ghetto he comes from - Bond's character has much less to do with being white: it's to do with his education, his wits, his behaviour, his capability and his position in the military. It's not about the colour of his skin.
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...Bond's character has much less to do with being white: it's to do with his education, his wits, his behaviour, his capability and his position in the military. It's not about the colour of his skin.
This certainly wasn't the case when Fleming wrote his books. James Bond, ex-Royal Navy, ex-public school, inhabitant of gentlemen's clubs, driver of Bentley's, and displayer of numerous racist/xenophobic opinions, was clearly a product of the British upper-class white establishment.

I'm not condoning any of the above. I'm just pointing out that that was the character Fleming created.
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