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Old 25-10-2018, 08:28   #461
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What's everyone using these days ? I was fairly happy with Avast, but was getting annoyed with the popups and occasional update failures (repeatedly unable to connect to their server/s).

So I tried Kaspersky for a month, but yesterday it screwed up big time and seemed to knock out my WiFi driver on boot-up. Messed about for over an hour, and eventually had to roll back to a Restore Point (of which I only had one, due to a recent large Windows update! So I've now upped the GB allowed for restore points).

So now I'm trying AVG - seemed quite good yesterday, but now it's constantly using 20% cpu [AVGSvc.exe] so my fans are kicking in (gaming laptop=loud). No disk or network activity, so it's not scanning or updating. So I've turned off all the selectable components, and it's still the same ... wth ?! Googling, there's mention of AVG creating a cache of known files, so I will give it another day ....
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Old 25-10-2018, 08:40   #462
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Nothing. Just the built-in Windows defender and I run Malwarebytes (v2) and more recently EEK once a month (or when I feel like it) for a quick scan.

I also have Malwarebytes Anti Exploit running. Not sure if it helps but it doesn't hurt so why not.

Edit: Oh and I run any new zip/exe etc through virustotal.

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Old 25-10-2018, 09:10   #463
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I think the days of anti-virus software is over. Virus software is so far ahead of simple looking-at-signatures in files. Viruses can mutate and change their signatures nearly on the fly to evade anti-virus software. With so many files on a laptop/PC these days (compared to several years ago when people just had a handful of files) and a 2 GB OS it takes so long to check each file to see if it contains X signature. Case in point - pick a file with a known virus and upload it to VirusTotal. Often several 'engines' just won't spot it.

"... the criminals have moved on from regular viruses to focus on Ransomware, zero-day attacks, and even worse malware that traditional antivirus just can’t handle."

"... it’s more important that you use*a good anti-exploit program*to protect your web browser and plug-ins, which are the most targeted by attackers.*Malwarebytes*is the program we recommend here."

Malwarebytes is £30 a year per device, or £50 a year for 3 devices.

Can't for the life of me remember what we used at work, but we moved from Avast for Business to 'that' as it used more of an application behaviour monitor, rather than checking every file. I'll remember it later!

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Originally Posted by Someone will say...
I don’t need an antivirus because I'm "careful", and "common sense is all you need".
The 'top names' of software (Chrome, IE, etc) have security flaws, so your PC could be vulnerable just visiting legit websites via advertisers or some other vulnerability.
Its not worth the risk.

Oh, and all the antivirus stuff on your PC means nothing if you don't have backups. Nothing worse than waking up to a phone call saying, "people can't open files on the fileserver - everything is encrypted." All our PCs had Windows Defender (or 'come in viruses - help yourself') and Avast for Business (yuk) and all patched .... but some oik had connected a laptop to our network* which had malware on it. That found various shares around the building and had a field day. So whether you install antivirus or not, backup the data you have which is important.

*Yes, I know. Shaddup.

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"Even the better antivirus solutions here may be obnoxious. Rather than pushing junkware on you at install-time, they may regularly pop up warnings and other messages, encouraging you to install other software or pay for services. They may*be harvesting and selling browsing data and other information, too.

BitDefender’s product is currently solid, offering no junk. avast! isn’t perfect and does want you to install additional software, although it is high-quality software. AVG has been full of obnoxious junk on the past but seemed okay when we tried it — we’re not sure what’s going on there, and we’d advise avast! over AVG if you want a free antivirus like these ones.
Paid antivirus are also good options. Kaspersky and BitDefender consistently get better ratings than popular free antivirus applications, so they’re good solutions if you want to pay for something.

Antivirus companies have to make money somehow. Faced with many people who just want free antivirus programs and won’t pay to upgrade, they’ve increasingly turned to advertising revenue, software bundling, tracking, and other questionable practices.*Think before you download — even if you download the free version of a legitimate company’s antivirus program, you may end up with*junk you don’t want making your computer experience worse."

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Old 25-10-2018, 12:00   #464
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I can't figure out if you're saying we should or shouldn't use AV software?
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Old 25-10-2018, 12:12   #465
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TL DR; Modern 'signature testing' AV is basically pointless, as more attacks are online/viruses regularly change their underpants. If you're going to use free AV software, be careful. APplication monitoring programs are better, eg, Malwarebytes (full version, not the free one). Regardless of what you do, ensure you've got data backups, as *you* may be protected, but its no protection if some other numpty infects your data/network.

Sorry - I ramble, and lost the plot a bit...

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Old 25-10-2018, 12:31   #466
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Yeah that makes sense. I've always leaned more towards Malwarebytes v3 paid version IF I was going to go that route. I don't like v3's free version though as it's just a piece of adware in that guise (or at least it was when I accidentally installed it a while back when v2 kept bugging me about it). Running all the time with ads popping up but none of the real-time benefits.
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Old 25-10-2018, 13:50   #467
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My days of WareZ and KeyGenZ are long behind me, but unfortunately round these parts there's plenty USB-drive sharing and attached nasties hopping aboard.

Besides, some of the free AV does in fact offer both real-time and heuristics, iirc.

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Old 25-10-2018, 14:21   #468
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Heuristics is just 'guessing' if the file looks dodgy, similar to signatures. Viruses can change their guts, or even just exploit weaknesses in software (or even hardware, I guess). That's why I 'quoted' the 'I'm safe - I don't download anything dodgy'. You're not safe even if all you browse is these forums - there could still be a compromised advert that stuffs you up good 'n proper.
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Old 25-10-2018, 20:51   #469
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Well said Chris, backups is the only way to be sure your data is safe. It's also worth noting that you do not want your backup drive or folder to be accessible on the network as this can possibly get encrypted also, meaning you are screwed (been there, had that).

You need to have a backup that can not be accessed by *numtpys* pc/laptop. If he/she lets rip with a virus, you dont want it getting to the backups.

If using a NAS, you can encrypt the folder with an encryption key or create a backup user that solely has access to the NAS backup, this all of course depends on the backup software being used, likewise for backups to USB.

Backups are the only thing that will save you or a company from a major pain in the bum. A few hours/days lost restoring data is nothing compared to not having the data at all...
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Old 26-10-2018, 08:32   #470
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And don't forget to test your backups. Nothing worse than believing you have your data backed up when in fact you're missing something important. When we got hit by ransomware at our company, we had backups, but then people said, "aah, but I had blah-blah on a folder on my desktop. HAve you got a backup of that?". Or, "did you also backup the XYZ system that we used?" "Never heard of it - how long you been using that?".... etc.
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Old 26-10-2018, 11:28   #471
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So as someone who only runs Windows in a virtual machine, once or twice a month to do specific tasks... I don't think I even have email running in there... What's my best bet? Just stick Avast on there? Or remove it and leave Windows Defender running?

The VM is backed-up by Mac Time Machine and I have a verified disk image of it too, so less concerned about the backups - assuming I'm not doing much on there, not even running email - am I just having Avast running and consuming resources when I could just remove it?
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"...to do specific tasks". Depends on whether this involves t'internet. What networks can the VM see? Is the VM low on resources, or murmuring away comfortably? If its tight, then I'd remove it. You're more at risk from a Windows update rendering the PC unbootable! Defender is still a pile of poo, but is better than absolutely nothing.
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Lol. My review was actually accurate! So its still bad.
https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/inte...er-2019-review

"Pros: Better than nothing".
"Cons: Woefully high false-positive rate"
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Old 23-10-2019, 17:58   #474
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What’s the latest most favoured anti virus software
I just want something that’s set and forget that doesn’t try and install more extras than I was trying to avoid in first place and does not give me pop ups suggesting various settings every 20 minutes
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Unless you're upto mischief, dunkle, just stick to Windows Security and Defender, use a password manager and take regular (offsite/cloud) backups.
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Unless you're upto mischief, dunkle, just stick to Windows Security and Defender, use a password manager and take regular (offsite/cloud) backups.
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Anybody want a free copy of McAfee? It's the Total Protection All Device version, one year code. It came free with this year's Office subscription, but I already have BitDefender.
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