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Old 18-07-2020, 11:25   #1
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Jason & the Argonauts - HMV Premium Blu-ray

I own several BD movies from HMV's 'Premium Collection' list and was very happy with all of them till I received and saw Jason & the Argonauts recently. It is one of my favourite films and as the Sony Pictures DVD that I bought over 20 years ago was so good, I had delayed the BD upgrade till last week. I saw it last night and was very disappointed with the PQ.

A lot of scenes - including the opening one - are too dark so that I could barely make out the faces. I had to increase the brightness setting of my OLED TV from 50 to 60 to see the movie and even then was not altogether happy with the PQ. In fact, it is worse than my old DVD.

It was bought brand new and sealed from a very reliable eBay seller. So, could I have somehow received a dud copy or has anyone else noticed similar issues with this BD?
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Old 18-07-2020, 11:53   #2
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It’s a very old BD as think it was originally released by Sony in the US about 10 years ago.

Sony and HMV just recycle the existing disc.

Guess it could do with a new remaster as Sony have given some of the other Harryhausen films which have appeared here via Indicator.

Always check out the reviews of the original releases from either US or Germany as you know that’s where Sony and Warner get the discs from.

The recent Warner releases via PC are higher quality as tend to be new remasters for their WAC range in the US.
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I have other BDs from the same era and collection. For example, Forbidden Planet and The Time Machine, play very well.
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Old 18-07-2020, 18:19   #4
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I have other BDs from the same era and collection. For example, Forbidden Planet and The Time Machine, play very well.

Those are both Warner.

JATA is Sony.

May explain differences.
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https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...108640&i=1&l=0

Its a tad dark, but doesn't look bad to me. Certainly looks better than DVD.
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I've just skipped through the disc (I haven't seen it since I got the OLED) and it looks generally fine to me (apart from ropiness in optical shots). It won't dazzle anyone with brightness, admittedly, but regarding the opening scene you mention - it is set at night, so perhaps the darkness there is intentional?
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Well OK guys. Maybe it's just me. Now that I've got a 65" OLED and the works, maybe I have become too discerning for my own good.

Having said that, Forbidden Planet was made 7 years earlier to JATA and it looks marvellous on the same set-up. Like malcy says, perhaps it is the Warner vs Sony thing.
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Its a tad dark, but doesn't look bad to me. Certainly looks better than DVD.
Did you check the screencaps in the above link? Do they look anything like your copy?

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Did you check the screencaps in the above link? Do they look anything like your copy?
I did. Also other screencaps posted in Blu-ray forum, one actually showing Talos. The PQ isn't anything to rave about but far better than on my disc.
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Some Sony 4K remasters like Lawrence of Arabia look amazing.

It may be that the film elements of JATA weren’t in a good condition or those of Forbidden Planet were still in top nick.
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I'm a long way behind with TV tech, so apologies if this is obvious, but adjusting the brightness levels can be tricky, and is very dependent on your room brightness.

You can use the top test card for a PC monitor, and some TVs have a variable setting similar to the bottom image (this apparently shows the correct setting).




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I played 20 minutes each of Forbidden Planet, The Time Machine and Jason and The Argonauts this afternoon on my Home Cinema with identical room light set-up, the best that I could come-up with. All 3 were bought recently brand new from the HMV Premium Collection BDs. The PQ in the first two films was pristine while with JATA it was definitely ropey. This included the Talos sequence and the staue looked worse than it does on my old DVD. From what I could make out, some shots lacked sufficient brightness while being excessively contrasty.

As I type this, my wife is watching a Sky Q HD channel with the same OLED TV settings and the PQ is perfect.

I have a feeling that I have received a dud JATA Blu-ray disc.

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