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Old 17-11-2019, 13:26   #1
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Bluetooth Headphones with Bluetooth Soundbar

Sorry if the is a silly question but I don't understand much about bluetooth technology except that it has nothing to do with blue teeth.

If I have a Bluetooth capable Soundbar system like Samsung HW Q90R or the Sony HT ZF9 into which all audio-emitting devices (BD player, Sky Box, CD player etc) are plugged in and the Soundbar is then paired with a Bluetooth wireless Headphone like JBL Live 650 BTNC, does it follow that all audio coming out of the soundbar system irrespective of the source can then be heard via the headphones without disturbing others?
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Old 18-11-2019, 11:25   #2
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I'm no expert, but till someone else pops up ...

I *think* the bluetooth on a speaker like this only works in the other direction - as an input (receiver) rather than an output (transmitter). So it's mainly designed to connect your phone wirelessly, to play MP3 or stream from spotify.

However, you can plug a dedicated bluetooth transmitter into any 3.5mm headphone socket and pair any bluetooth headphones to that. I'm unsure of the quality though ... maybe the more expensive 'HD' models will satisfy an audiophile ?
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Old 18-11-2019, 11:45   #3
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The problem is that AFAIK, neither of those soundbars have a headphone socket. The Samsung has no inputs at all other than the 2 HDMI and one Optical and all of those are required. The Sony does have a 3.5mm analog audio input but I am using that to hook-up a CD player. The Sony also has an optical input that is not going to be needed as things are; can I connect a Bluetooth transmitter via an optical input?

That still does not help me in the lounge with the Samsung soundbar.
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Old 18-11-2019, 15:52   #4
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No pretty sure you can't do what you want to.

It does seem like a reasonable thing to want to do though!
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I think mine only has the ability to receive audio and play it. Never tried it the other way around!
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OK, thanks people. But what about non-Bluetooth wireless headphones that work on radio frequencies like Sennheiser RS175 or 195? The Samsung has built in WiFi and a Frequency Response (whatever that does) of 34 to 17,000 Hz. Is that any use?
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Old 18-11-2019, 16:39   #7
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Still no

Think your best option is connecting the BT headphones to the TV via a headphone adaptor then the soundbar doesn't come into play.
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Still no

Think your best option is connecting the BT headphones to the TV via a headphone adaptor then the soundbar doesn't come into play.
OK. The Sennheiser 175 has a transmitter than can use either 3.5mm audio or an Optical input. In the Master Bedroom at least, I sould be able to plug the transmitter into the free Optical input of the Sony HT ZF9 Soundbar and receive all audio into the headphones.

No such joy with the Samsung Q90R because its Optical input will be occupied. The TV's speakers will be disabled due to the soundbar and so connecting BT headphones directly to it would not help with watching BD movies or listening to CD music, both of which will be connected to the soundbar.....unless I am missing something.
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Surprised the likes of Sonos haven’t made some
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Optical splitter?

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/SiYear-Di...dDbGljaz10cnVl
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Optical splitter?
Yes thank you. However, I decided to opt for a higher-end Optical Switcher line the CYP AU-D21.

That way, I could forget about bluetooth and get another Sennheiser RS175 and use the optical input of the transmitter to plug into the soundbar. That should make all the audio from the soundbar - irrespective of the source - come into the headphones.......I think.
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Old 18-11-2019, 21:04   #12
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Arthur's point a few posts above still stands. You're suggesting plugging your headphones into an audio INPUT. That won't work.
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Old 19-11-2019, 08:09   #13
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Arthur's point a few posts above still stands. You're suggesting plugging your headphones into an audio INPUT. That won't work.
I see your point. I guess I was being naive in thinking that the problem was solved.

The Richer Sounds guy from whom I am buying these items has come-up with a possible solution: He suggests connecting the Optical cable if the TR 175 transmitter (of Sennheiser RS175 headphones) to the Optical OUT of the TV. He believes that the audio from any source will then get back to the soundbar via the ARC facility. Not sure if this will work but even if it does, it will mean leaving the TV on even to listen to CD music. Also, connecting the transmitter to the TV might not silence the external audio, thus defeating the purpose of using headphones.

I looked at page 45 of the Sony Soundbar's manual that you posted (thanks) for a bluetooth solution.. It does say "TV or device" but I felt that by 'device' they meant an audio emitting medium like a BD player or Sky Box. But since headphones are effectively an audio receiving device, I wonder if it'll work the way you think it will?

I am beginning to see the major disadvantage of speaker systems based on soundbars as opposed to conventional A-V Receivers.
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Old 19-11-2019, 09:07   #14
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I looked at page 45 of the Sony Soundbar's manual that you posted (thanks) for a bluetooth solution.. It does say "TV or device" but I felt that by 'device' they meant an audio emitting medium like a BD player or Sky Box. But since headphones are effectively an audio receiving device, I wonder if it'll work the way you think it will?
The way I'm reading it is you can listen to audio the Soundbar receives from the TV (including devices connected to the TV, either via ARC or optical depending how the soundbar and TV are connected) or external devices (connected directly to the Soundbar via HDMI, Optical inputs etc).

You're switching the Soundbar's Bluetooth mode from receiver to transmitter.

Page 65 has clearer language on this. Simply stating "listen to sound from this system by using BLUETOOTH compatible headphones."

Of course if you connected the soundbar and TV via bluetooth you wouldn't be able to use headphones (connected to the soundbar) at the same time, as the soundbar would have to be in the default 'receiver' mode. And as I type this I've just had a thought - surely TVs support Bluetooth Headphones these days. They certainly support Bluetooth Soundbar connection which means they act as a transmitter.

re: optical out from the TV. Certainly that sounds like it would work as described. But as you say the TV would need to be on.

Side note - I don't think the Q90R soundbar has a bluetooth transmitter function. There's nothing in the manual about it, with zero mentions of headphone support.

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Thanks both. I have e-mailed both Samsung and Sony support based on the information you guys have provided. From past experience, Sony are usually quite good with their responses but Samsung are not.

From what you two are saying, it looks like a set of bluetooth headphones might do the job on the Master Bedroom's Sony system. I'll wait and see how it goes with the lounge.

By the way, if I seem a bit paranoid about this headphones business, it is not without reason. I have a large collection of good CDs (lots of Iron Maiden, Metallica and of course Bon Jovi) and sci-fi movies and one of the things that I wanted to do in retirement is enjoy those. But the House Rules in the block of apartments where our penthouse is located state avoidance of noise disturbance as #1 in their list. We don't want to upset our neighbours.
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The Sony soundbar supports Bluetooth transmission so can do what you want via Bluetooth headphones. Page 45 of the manual.

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/s.../47275332M.pdf
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Re using the optical out of the TV to feed the headphones, that is a similar solution to using the headphone socket on your TV that I mentioned except that I would expect the headphone socket will mute the soundbar (though you would need to check to be sure).
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I would expect the headphone socket will mute the soundbar (though you would need to check to be sure).
This is one point where the Samsung guy was evasive. The Sony woman seemed quite certain that if a headphone jack of the transmitter was plugged into a headphone socket of the TV, it would mute the soundbar in the same manner as with a receiver. The Samsung guy was not certain about it.

The other thing is that the Sennheiser RS175's transmitter has a separate on-off switch. I wonder if I have to physically unplug the transmitter from the TV to make the Soundbar work normally or can I simply switch off the transmitter? The latter would be more convenient.
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You don't sound paranoid at all.

I find it quite fascinating really. I've never thought about using headphones connected to a soundbar but it seems like a reasonable expectation (even if it was just a basic analog output). It doesn't appear to be a common feature though.
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You don't sound paranoid at all.

I find it quite fascinating really. I've never thought about using headphones connected to a soundbar but it seems like a reasonable expectation (even if it was just a basic analog output). It doesn't appear to be a common feature though.
Thanks. I have wondered the same thing. These days high-end soundbars seem to be replacing traditional central and front speaker systems but majority of soundbars have only a fraction of the connectivity of a traditional A-V receiver like the Pioneer VSX 933 for example.
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