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Old 15-11-2003, 11:00   #1
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Help a newbie upgrade from 2.1 sound

At the moment I have a toshiba SD330E dvd player with some creative 2.1 digital speakers plugged into it.

I have to have the player quite loud to be able to tell the speech from the sound effects. I'd like a sound setup that makes the speech clearer and I know absolutely nothing about sound setups so can you guys help me?

Now as I understand it, if you have a centre speaker - speech comes out of that? So really, thats all I think I need to add. But there's no obvious connections for this on the player and who ever heard of 3.1 sound??

So I guess I need some kind of amplifier that supports more speakers? If I got a 5.1 amp and only plugged in 3.1 speakers... would it work? If I went for 5.1 (which I don't really want to) I'd need wireless rear speakers or something... does such a thing exist??

I assume that when I play a 5.1 disc on 2.1 - it puts the lot through 2 speakers (is this correct?). If I had 3.1 would it do the same? Or would it expect 2 rear speakers and I'd lose sound I'm currently getting through a 2.1 setup?

Hows it work if its only a stereo disc? Does it just play out of 2 or does it do something clever with the other speakers?

Finally... can anyone recommend any kit? I'd like to keep using my existing 2.1 speakers as fronts. So I think all I need is an amp (preferably with digital in (either) and coax digital out) and a centre speaker. And rear speakers if they are a must. Not anything too costly, I'm not bothered about fancy branding. £100-£150 tops but the cheaper the better


Please remember that my sole requirement is to make speech clearer. One of ears is better than the other (walkman too loud as a kid i guess!) so fancy 3d sound effect placement is lost on me as I can't easily tell where sound comes from anyway!


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Yo need an amp as the player (same as mine) only outputs 2.0 unless you have a connection running to an amp.
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So many questions, so many answers.......

I'll try and help where I can and hopefully someone else will come along and pick up on the pieces I've missed.

You are right about the centre speaker. Most if not all dialogue is channelled to the centre so with a 3 speaker set up, it is going to sound a lot better.
You say you have 2.1 speakers already which I would take to be two fronts and a sub [the sub being the .1]. You then mention that you would like to add a centre speaker but only have three speakers in total whereas a 3.1 system is actually 4 speakers.
If you played a 5.1 disc through 2 or 2.1 speakers, then yes, all but the lower frequencies would go to the front two speakers but if only two speakers, then all the sound is distributed between those.
You can have a 3.1 system if your amp supports a 3.1 set up. My Pioneer 912 supports a 2.1, 3.1, 4.1, 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1 set up. But unfortunately all the new Pioneers are out of your price range.

That's about all the help I can offer. Hope it makes some sense to you
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Yeah. My current setup is front left & right and a sub.

So I'm aiming for front left & right & centre and a sub.

I did a search for 3.1 speaker setups and quite a lot of results where returned but they seemed to be front left & right and a rear speaker
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Considering you can only get a 2.0 sound out anyway and you after better sound ........


Just buy a normal stero amp an get some good speakers.


That why the sound will be much better and clearer (although only 2.0) but will solve the situation

Richersounds should be able to sort you out
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I've currently got Creative Labs/Cambridge Soundworks Digital 2.1 speaker setup. They've got quite good reviews. Although they are strictly speaking computer speakers. Are they not good for dvd's?

They're certainly loads better than my tv!

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Im not sure.......i guess it might be better for pc's as you mentioned.

Have you tried fiddling with the sound modes on the Tosh player aint there a heavy dilogue one ??



How do you have the setup connected to the dvd player.

Is it the red and white stereo leads
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using digital coax

I tried the dialogue enhancement but it has a habit of making the whole sound level go quiet sometimes. I don't know if it's designed for more speakers than I have or something.


audio out is set to pcm.
dynamic range control is off. Whats that do? I'll try turning it on.

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In set up when watching a film go down the souns options its in there......

You can go from normal to 3d sound to diloague heavy one ......i'll go see on my player


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its a button called EAM.......press while a film is on and go from normal to the last one dilouge or 3D see if that helps


Is that what you tried ?

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Yeah, thats the one that causes the sound level to drop. On average once or twice during a film for a particular scene.

I haven't tried the 3d option yet.
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I think I'll just get the videologic digitheatre platinum from morgan and live with the cables everywhere

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