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Old 06-12-2005, 14:25   #1
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Cool Building a gaming PC - UPDATE Building it!

Hi all,

This is going to be my thread about building my first gaming PC. Thanks to all those who have helped so far. The original post is at the bottom, I'll update this post whenever there's any news. In the meantime keep the feedback and suggestions coming!

Cheers,

T

Hardware chosen so far:

Graphics: ATI Radeon X800 XT 256Mb

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 90nm

Motherboard: Abit KN8 Ultra NF4 Ultra PCI-E

HDD: Western Digital Raptor SATA/150 74GB 10000RPM * 2 in RAID 0

Case: Antec P180

Memory: 1Gb PC3200

PSU: Antec TruePower 2.0 ATX2.0 550W PSU

Other: NEC 4550A 16x DVD±RW Dual Format 8x Dual Layer


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Hi all,

I want to try my hand a building my own Gaming PC. I don't want to break the bank but it's got to be decent enough . There are some things I understand and some I don't so I'm looking for advice plus some recommendations. I'd like to upgrade things like the processor at a later stage if need be.

I'm not bothered about SLI but may look into low level overclocking if it's possible.

Edit: I've added some prices which I'm aiming for, these are ex-VAT

Graphics: I'll do this first as I already have this from my old machine, a PCI-E ATI Radeon X800 XT 256Mb. I'll be keeping this and not changing.

Processor (<£120): I'd like to go for an AMD Athlon64 Socket 939, price will probably dictate a Venice 3500 (i.e. ~£100). Obviously I'll need some sort of matched heatsink for this.

Motherboard (£~50-75): Again, not sure, has to be PCI-E of course. Was looking at ABIT motherboards but don't know what's best suited to me (Abit KN8/AX8?).

HDD (£~75-100): SATA obviously. I quite like the idea of two WD Raptor 74Gb in Raid 0, might be a bit pricey though. Would like the option of adding storage if I run out though!

Case (£~50-75): Have no idea about this but I reckon I'll go for a tower rather than SFF. Upgradability is the key.

Memory: This will be matched to the motherboard and probably be about 1Gb, got a good supplier so cost isn't an issue.

PSU (£???): I have NO IDEA about PSU's so help please!

Other: On-board sound may be fine to start off with, I'll pick up a decent dual layer DVD writer. Keyboard, mouse and monitor (dvi) are all sorted.

Cool extras! Any ideas for cool extras most welcome!

Thanks in advance for any help, if this thread takes off I'll keep it updated with progress. I'll try to answer any questions as soon as possible.

Cheers

T

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Old 06-12-2005, 15:43   #2
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Motherboard: I would recommend Abit AN8 SLi Fatal1ty nForce4 SLi (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard a little bit more pricey but well worth it!

Case: CoolerMaster Stacker STC-T01 - Silver Trim (No PSU)

Memory: If you can go for 2GB

PSU: Seasonic S12 600W Silent ATX2.0 (SLi ready)

Other: I recommend a Pioneer 11D DVD-Writer

Hope that helps...

Cheers

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Old 06-12-2005, 15:47   #3
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Processor: I'd like to go for an AMD Athlon64 Socket 939, price will probably dictate a Venice 3500 (i.e. ~£100). Obviously I'll need some sort of matched heatsink for this.
Where are you getting a 3500 for ~£100? The retail 3000 won't give you much change from £100! Having said that, why not just buy the 3000 and overclock it? 2.4GHz (3800 speed) should be acheivable - see my comments in this thread for the basics!

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I quite like the idea of two WD Raptor 74Gb in Raid 0, might be a bit pricey though.
Very pricey, very small and of debatable advantage in the real world. Yes, disk transfers would be faster than using a normal HDD - but it really wouldn't make that much difference to overall system performance as games still tend to "stop" to load stuff. Surely you can put up with another couple of seconds on a loading screen for the sake of 5 times* as much storage space? Oh, and the obligatory "Raid 0 is unsafe on your data" warning applies!



*Literally - my suppliers have 74Gb Raptors down @ 101+, and 250Gb normals @ 60+
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Graphics: I'll do this first as I already have this from my old machine, a PCI-E ATI Radeon X800 XT 256Mb. I'll be keeping this and not changing.

Processor: AMD 64 San Diego 3700+ 1mb cache

Motherboard: DFI Lanparty UT-Ultra-D nf4

HDD: 2x200gb seagate 7200.8 sata inc 5 YRS warrenty

Case: Antec p180

Memory: any corsair/ocz/gskill/mushkin memory (u want performance dont you?) if not then get bog standard stuff, which we be a factor in ur performance.

PSU: Tagan Easycon 530w or Tagan 580w

Cool extras: thermalright SI-120 or XP120 with 120mm fan for cooling.


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Old 06-12-2005, 16:20   #5
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Memory: any corsair/ocz/gskill/mushkin memory (u want performance dont you?) if not then get bog standard stuff, which we be a factor in ur performance.
I disagree. Bog standard stuff is far better value for money, as the "brand name" memory offers no real-world performance gain @ stock settings. Unless you can prove otherwise?

As to the CPU, yeah the 3700+ would be a valid choice, as the San Diego generally allows a higher overclocked speed than the Venice - but the OP hasn't really hinted at his budget... is the extra ££ worth it? Will he be overclocking at all?

Big agreement on the DFI motherboard.

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Old 06-12-2005, 16:29   #6
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Uncle Nick Ah, I forgot to say that the prices I'm looking at are ex-vat You're right about the Raptors, nice idea but pricey. As for data integrity if I'm just running games I'm not too bothered so RAID 1 isn't on my list, 2 * 160Gb in RAID 0 might be an idea and cheaper...? I'll check out your other thread. Cheers.

Ace007 Isn't that MB the £100+ one? Might be a bit pricey for me (looking at all the other things I might be getting!) I'll check the others out, cheers.

philyau Cheers for those, I'll have a read up on the stuff you've mentioned as I'm not familiar with most of them (obviously )

Cheers all,

Keep 'em coming!

T

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Yeah, hmm budget... Well I'm not that sure really, I just wanted to see what people suggested to get a general idea then see if there was any room for improvements!

I suppose ~£400 would be goos as I already have the graphics card and monitor. Under would be better!

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I suppose ~£400 would be goos as I already have the graphics card and monitor. Under would be better!
Bye bye Raptors then...
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Big agreement on the DFI motherboard.
These LANPARTY boards look good but may be a little expensive. I'm not too bothered about SLI or anything like that.

Are the NF4 INFINITY's any good?

T

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Bye bye Raptors then...
I suppose so, shows I wasn't really thinking about budget doesn't it!!

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These LANPARTY boards look good but may be a little expensive. I'm not too bothered about SLI or anything like that.

Are the NF4 INFINITY's any good?

T
I think that all the DFI range are meant to be quite good. One bonus of the Infinity's is the possibility of a free upgrade to SATA II (pointless, but it's there) by modding the "Southbridge" chip:

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/...ocking/AMD/120

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Old 06-12-2005, 17:03   #12
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PSU: Seasonic S12 600W Silent ATX2.0 (SLi ready)
Agreed. It may be expensive, but it's most definitely worth it.
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These LANPARTY boards look good but may be a little expensive. I'm not too bothered about SLI or anything like that.
If you've no interest in SLI, then you could go for an nForce 4 Ultra board such as this:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=293088

I used it in my new build recently and it works perfectly well (and is very reasonably priced). It's not all that great for overclocking though (something I have no interest in anyway), so if that is a consideration, you may want to look elsewhere.
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Okay, thanks for all the new replies.

I'm going to edit the first post with price limits (and some other info) as some of this kit sounds great but I don't want to go too over the top on my "first" gaming machine.

T

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Bump as I've changed the first post, in meetings today so excuse the lack of replies to any questions.

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Old 12-12-2005, 17:30   #16
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BUmp.

Can someone look over my spec and see if I'm going in the right direction??

Also, I need some decent case suggestions plus fill me in on PSU's. I have no idea

Quite like the Antec P160 case, Coolermaster Centurion 531 Silver seems good value.

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I'd be more inclined to spend less on the CPU and get a better ATi card, you will see more gain in performance that way.

Go for a X850 XT PE, and a Venice AMD64 3000+.
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I'd be more inclined to spend less on the CPU and get a better ATi card, you will see more gain in performance that way.

Go for a X850 XT PE, and a Venice AMD64 3000+.
The OP has removed the reference, but IIRC it's because the X800 XT is from his previous machine and he wants to carry on using it. In other words, it's not an extra cost.
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plus fill me in on PSU's. I have no idea
Get one made by a reputable company (Seasonic, Tagan etc). With that kind of a kit, a decent 500 watt PSU will help to maintain system stability.

Just make sure you don't get a cheap £20 600 watt PSU as that is merely asking for trouble.
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Cheers all,

As PlexShaw says the ATi card is from my old machine, it's mentioned near the bottom of the first post. I can always upgrade this later

Thanks for the hints on PSU's, I'd seena Tagan one but I think it was a special BTX one. I'll keep looking but thanks for the heads up

Case rec's anyone?

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