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Old 04-04-2005, 17:23   #41
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Personally (and I know the film's a cameo fest) I was disappointed that Raymond Massey plods onto the screen as Lincoln... AND DOESN'T SAY A WORD! For about three seconds! And that's it! He just sits down looking perplexed...

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Old 04-04-2005, 17:35   #42
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Just looked through the official program of the movie and interestingly it has a picture which shows the tower falling over and the three men on it jumping to safety. So indeed, the question is why is it not in the movie?
Btw, I love these old programs. They're full of trivia - eg it took wranglers more than two months to corral the 2000 buffalo used in the scene, which was filmed in South Dakato.
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Btw, I love these old programs. They're full of trivia - eg it took wranglers more than two months to corral the 2000 buffalo used in the scene, which was filmed in South Dakato.
Someone was selling a reproduction of the original at Bradford; I ran round like a headless chicken to nab one afterwards - and considered mugging as an option - but couldn't lay my hands on one...grrr!

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Guy next to me had one - I stole sneaky glances at it.
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Guy next to me had one - I stole sneaky glances at it.
Double grrrrr! BTW, with what HF says (and I can't believe Massey signed on just to sigh heavily) I'll bet there's masses of unused footage out there. How about the Triple Directors Cut(s)?
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Old 04-04-2005, 18:06   #46
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Someone was selling a reproduction of the original at Bradford; I ran round like a headless chicken to nab one afterwards - and considered mugging as an option - but couldn't lay my hands on one...grrr!
Try Ebay and get an original instead of a reproduction. I collected them for a while and almost never paid more than $10 to $15 per item (and if I did, it was by choice).
Did a quick check and there are a few HTWWW programs on offer at the moment: here and here.
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Old 04-04-2005, 18:08   #47
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The picture of the tower falling over with the men jumping: (courtesy this dedicated HTWWW site

From the same site: stampede
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Old 04-04-2005, 18:28   #49
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Oh, a little mystery is developing isn't it:

"As Newsweek enthusiastically informed its readers in the March 4, 1963 issue, "The buffaloes make the whole . . . picture worth seeing. The stampede lasts forever. From a small moving mass at the horizon, they come looming down to fill the whole screen with a great, gray, shaggy blur. They fan out, 90 abreast, galloping at an unlikely speed, a swath of dirty fur and deafening noise. They roar up to sheds, a small house, a water tower, and trample them all flat in a fantastic display of mindless animal might. It is one of the great moments in the history of movies.''
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IMDB shows the theatrical run time for How The West Was Won to be 162 minutes; the widescreen Laserdisc had a run time of 163 minutes (curiously, the p&s version is shown as running two minutes longer!). They list the original MGM DVD as running 150 minutes, but show Warners disc (after they took over MGM titles up to 1986) as 155 minutes!

Accepting that info on IMDB can be a little suspect, my interest is piqued that the LD could be 10 or so minutes longer than the DVD.
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Never trust the IMDB . I just checked and the MGM disc has a running time of 2 hours, 44 minutes and 27 seconds (although the backcover says 2 hours, 30 minutes!). This running time includes overture, intermission and exit music.
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Never trust the IMDB .
Indeed Ah, well...
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May have solved the water tower mystery. Bill from the HTF:

"About the water tower: I believe it came down during a rehearsal with the buffalo before the Cinerama cameras were ready, so the actual collapse of the tower is not seen in the film..."

Makes sense, but how come they got such a decent picture of it?

Apologies if I've taken this thread OT too much!

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The stills photographer was handy and very alert...
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Tatonka!
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Hear that? That's the sound of what may or may not be a reference flying waaay over my head...
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My dear Hodson - think Kevin's first lesson in Lakota Sioux.
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Ahhhh! Having never seen Dances With Kevin, little wonder it was lost on me...
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You've never watched Dances with Wolves? Is that a protest of some kind or have you just never got round to it...
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You've never watched Dances with Wolves? Is that a protest of some kind or have you just never got round to it...
Both in a way. I've got it; I just don't fancy it...and thus, it stays in the wrapper, on the shelf. Perverse, I know...

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