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Old 25-08-2004, 10:21   #1
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Is this a reissue of Apocalypse Now (Non Redux)?

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page...6&p=57&c=&g=72

If so I want it as I infinitely prefer it to the distended version that is Redux.
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Old 25-08-2004, 10:27   #2
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Also up at amazon who seem to think Pathe are releasing it. must be a mistake surely?

uncropped theatrical cut and I'd definitely buy it.

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Old 25-08-2004, 10:47   #3
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Not a chance in hell 'Hearts of Darkness' will be included, but they might include the 'Destruction of the Kurtz Compound' sequence that appeared on other regions' releases.

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Old 25-09-2004, 15:30   #4
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confused now. most Paramount dvd's I own have 'Widescreen Collection' somewhere on the front, but the cover for this new edition, now up on most sites, doesn't seem to. have the UK rights changed hands? and more importantly, does this mean a new (uncropped) transfer?



edit: and @ the bbfc. who confirm it is Pathe releasing it (no longer confused )

00:05:45:08 | UNTITLED (WITH COMMENTARY)
00:05:44:22 | UNTITLED

which I assume is the same from the original disc.

i.e. "Destruction of the Kurtz Compound" with commentary by Francis Ford Coppola.

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Old 25-09-2004, 21:56   #5
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and more importantly, does this mean a new (uncropped) transfer?
The transfer isn't quite cropped. It's more reframed. Much of the important aspects of each scene have been better centered. I saw comparisons on a website somewhere, but I'm afraid I can't remember where! I have to say though, I recall thinking at the time that the "reframed" version looked better

It would be nice if they released the theatrical version with as good a transfer as the Redux version. I've only ever seen the Redux version and would love to see how the theatrical version compares. Shame they can't release a super-duper edition with both cuts!

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I own Redux R2 - is it really worse than the original cut?
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Redux is a bit of a swollen bore compared to the original cut: some of the extended scenes (the Bunnies spring to mind) add nothing (certainly) and (IMO) detract from the tone.

The famous Plantation sequence (with the French ex-pats) is interesting but again seems to leech any sense of pace from the film.

Worth owning both versions.
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I own Redux R2 - is it really worse than the original cut?
Did you not see the original cut before Redux? Ifound having watched the original cut first really inhanced my viewing of Redux (It answered some questions, padded out some scenes more.) People's opinions vary on Redux on whether they downright hate it or, like myself, love the new version. I'll keep my copy of the theatrical cut still as I still like watching that version but Redux is certainly a great film. Now all I want is the doco, Hearts of Darkness. If they released that seperatly I would be it!
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No, I have never seen the original cut - I own Redux and that's it.
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I've never seen Redux, I only bought the original (though I have seen footage of the inserted scenes). I refuse to have anything to do with the former until Coppola does a One From The Heart with Apocalypse Now; both cuts fully restored, Hearts of Darkness, commentary on a 2-disc SE.
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I don't like Redux. Most of the additional scenes detract rather than enhance - particularly the extra Brando scenes which attempt to explain Kurtz's motivation - something which destroys the whole point of the film.

Worst of all when Coppola released Redux he tried to make out it was the version he had always intended - that's just plain dishonest
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I'd buy this if it was 2.35:1. Presumably it still won't be

I've seen both and I liked the stuff in Redux but I just didn't like the effect on the movie as a whole, which was to make it almost intolerably long. In the cinema it was bareable, but at home I'd think there would be too many distractions.
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Did this turn out to be a non-redux treat or not? I notice Play have it in their £7.99 sale.
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I'm still interested: I won't be first to take the plunge though...
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It's the non redux version with the 'Destruction of the Kurtz Compound' sequence as an extra.
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The R1 non-redux never went OOP why not get that?

I can't see it every being 2.35:1 on the home format

I have the French R2 two disc release and am happy with it. I'd like to see the original non-redux one day though.
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It's the non redux version with the 'Destruction of the Kurtz Compound' sequence as an extra.
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It looks like just a re-issue then maybe from another distributor?
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I've actually found myself standing in HMV, clutching a copy of this on three seperate occassions now. I don't have a copy of Apocalypse Now in my collection yet, but I'm still holding out for a version that comes with the Heart Of Darkness docu. But then again, who am kidding. This will never happen right?
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I've also got the French Redux release, with the theatrical cut on PAL laserdisc. I've also got Hearts of Darkness on PAL laserdisc, which is nice, but I'd give it up for a 2.35:1 transfer of the theatrical version. Even 2.20:1 (seen on the 70mm version) would be enough to satisfy me. Of course, this new DVD won't have that if Coppola and cinematographer Vittorio Storaro have anything to do with it. Why do they still insist on cropping this classic film to 2:1?

From what I understand, they did this originally to counter the low resolutions of home video formats (with Storaro going beyond mere reframing by developing a proprietary 2:1 shooting process called Univisium) which I can understand to a point. But in these DVD days, with HD around the corner, it's just not necessary. Maybe for a future, 'ultimate' DVD edition we could have the theatrical edit in 2.35:1 as per it's original release, and on a separate disc the director's preferred cut (Redux) in the director's preferred ratio of 2:1. But I reckon they think it actually looks better now, and so I guess we'll only see it as originally composed by seeing it theatrically.
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