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Old 14-09-2020, 17:44   #81
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They're now saying that theatres in the US are suffering because of the running costs they have and now after the Tenet rush, they don't really have much else to show, but have their overheads back.

How much of a draw is it really outside of relative cinema-nerds? Most people I know haven't really heard of the movie - I think I'm right in saying Inception did very well on word of mouth rather than being an immediate success?

I guess advertising is dirt cheap at the moment so that's something else in its favour.
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Old 15-09-2020, 16:00   #82
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I don't know how you are comparing figures? This is a totally new situation where cinemas can only be about a third fall, films can still do well but it will take longer to rake the money in. The problem with this system is it gives more of a chance of word of mouth to get out before everyone goes see it, and that's going to act against Tenet.
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Old 15-09-2020, 16:08   #83
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The problem with this system is it gives more of a chance of word of mouth to get out before everyone goes see it, and that's going to act against Tenet.
Which is exactly why I'm interested in hearing from others who've seen it twice!

After my first viewing what I told people was very mixed. After my second I'm increasingly convinced it's another Nolan masterpiece!
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Old 15-09-2020, 16:34   #84
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Question about the end

I was wondering that too and read this which I think makes sense?



FWIW I enjoyed it, but I suspect watching it again having read about it online will be a very different experience. Someone also mentioned Primer earlier in the thread (a movie I love) and having seen and understood that definitely helps. Plus, the oxygen masks and use of blue/red are great visual indicators as to what you're watching.

I did find some of the cuts a bit strange, where scenes just seemed to end and then you're straight in to the next one with the same character in a new location - maybe that was intentional or just where they'd trimmed things to get the length down. There was some definite James Bond vibes going on.

I'll be honest, I'd have been just as happy seeing that at home as in the cinema and given the dialogue issues and the nature of the movie, I'd love to be able to watch it again tonight here. Compared to his other movies, this one hasn't grabbed me on a first viewing, but I suspect it will get under my skin more with repeated watches.

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Old 16-09-2020, 10:20   #85
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This has been bugging me overnight in more ways than one! So many questions...

But, when he first meets the scientist who explains things for him/us and shows us the drawers with


Scratch that... apparently you just have to feel like you’re dropping it for it to be picked up - as its opposite world obviously.

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Old 26-09-2020, 21:42   #86
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Just back from seeing this, loved it, bit confused, dialogue issues are definitely there and I can't wait to see this again... With the subtitles on.

Dialogue levels must be this way on purpose, it must have come up in test screenings, it's a widespread complaint , it's not the first Nolan film with this criticism.

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I was looking forward to seeing this streaming, but inexplicably it’s 4K on disc only?
Anyone know why there’s a tend for 4K disc releases but only HD streaming purchases, unless it’s a blatant cash grab?
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On iTunes things are often listed as HD and then change to 4K on release.


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The reason I’m a little concerned is The Lady Killers has a 4K BR but it’s only HD for streaming but I take on board that could be a specific issue with that film, thanks.
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I’ve watched this again, read another explanation of everything that happens and I have to say for some (or much) of it I’m none the wiser. One a second viewing, I still can’t shake the feeling that its a movie which was written around a cool idea. Or rather a cool idea which has had some really shoogly scaffolding put up around it and you just need to not pay too much attention to the state of it.

Maybe a third watch will help...
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I don’t think the ending battle makes a lick of sense.
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Having the red and blue themes throughout helps, as does remembering that depending which viewpoint you’re watching from, one team will be going forwards, one will be backwards... with those views reversed if watching from the other team’s perspective?

So in the car chase, the protagonist’s BMW has a cracked wing mirror. At what point in time does that happen on the car, in advance of it actually happening later during the chase?

Primer made total sense to me, but this one, the more I think about it, the more confusing it gets for some reason.
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I don’t think the ending battle makes a lick of sense.
I don't think any of it makes a lick of sense. There's probably a decent idea in there somewhere, but it's buried under a mountain of over-complicated timey-wimey nonsense & generally trying to be too clever for its own good.

That said, Washington was excellent & in these days of CGI-infested blockbusters, I really enjoyed the action stuff being done for real, in camera. The plane sequence was awesome.
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Primer made total sense to me, but this one, the more I think about it, the more confusing it gets for some reason.
Primer is awesome and make more sense than this!
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Seems there was a voluntary 9 second cut (of domestic violence) to bring the cinema rating down from a 15 to a 12A.

Same on dvd/blu too - Amazon pre-order for 14-Dec release (£15 blu, £25 4k) - I bet the extras disc will be well-watched!

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Seems there was a voluntary 9 second cut (of domestic violence) to bring the cinema rating down from a 15 to a 12A.
Having watched it again, I'm surprised there's not a directors cut of this. There seems to be a number of really strange jump cuts where it looks like they've had to remove some dialogue to get the running time down.
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Only just seen this and would agree with previous posts about the dialogue being extremely muffled at times [ not helped in the scenes where you can hear both the forward and backward talking at the same time ].

I think I followed most of it LOL but what I didn't get
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I'm still not sure the whole inaudible dialogue thing was ever gotten to the bottom of.

When I saw it the first time it was in IMAX and I found it so hard to understand I checked with the cinema after if they'd messed something up.

The next two times I saw it was in a normal cinema but 1 was a big screen and really cranked up volume. Yet both times I had no issues at all. What I noticed though is that it's quite dense, full of details and they speak really quickly. I now reckon it's more due to those factors that people struggle the first time rather than the sound mix.

I still stand by my belief that on second viewing is a masterpiece. I also think maybe it's designed to be watched twice like that to properly get it, exactly like the pincher movement in the film.

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I now reckon it's more due to those factors that people struggle the first time rather than the sound mix.
Big difference in sound setup between cinemas, and even between screens in the same cinema.
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Big Nolan fan, but was disappointed by this overall. I found some of the acting unconvincing, and some of the explanatory dialogue was wooden,

The set scenes were pretty awesome though, and Nolan makes them easy too follow without being overly-frenetic. The 16x9 ratio made it a real visual experience.

I guess in a home setup it's easier to catch the dialogue, although I struggled at the start with the masks on (subs ftw!), and as expected had to turn my sub right down.
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