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Old 25-12-2020, 17:36   #61
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It's 5pm tomorrow for streaming on HBO.
Cool. I should be good to go at 10ish
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Old 25-12-2020, 19:51   #62
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Surprisingly, the first pirate versions to appear this evening are the full blown 4K versions....
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Old 25-12-2020, 20:01   #63
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And that's why the film industry can't survive without cinemas showing these films first.
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Old 25-12-2020, 21:26   #64
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And that's why the film industry can't survive without cinemas showing these films first.
See that’s where the interesting thing for me is. I used to make use of kodi and like buy when the Apple TV 4K came out I got one of those. That coupled with below 5 films and various streaming devices had just seen me not bother at all


It be interesting to see if a home delivery model could ever come out that would actually reduce piracy / just not make it worthwhile

Out of interest, what are the figures for music piracy what with the popularity of Spotify etc
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Old 25-12-2020, 22:22   #65
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Surprisingly, the first pirate versions to appear this evening are the full blown 4K versions....
Which is useful as I tried streaming it earlier and the quality was nowhere near 4K. No Dolby Vision watching it via my PC either, which is the only way I can get it on my TV.

I'll try again tomorrow to see if the picture quality issues was just first day bandwidth problems with everyone trying to watch at the same time, but if not then it's getting downloaded. I have no qualms doing that as I've already give HBO my $15.
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Old 26-12-2020, 10:03   #66
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Surprisingly, the first pirate versions to appear this evening are the full blown 4K versions....
Surely that depends on the quality HBOMax released it at ?
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Old 26-12-2020, 11:26   #67
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And that's why the film industry can't survive without cinemas showing these films first.
I think it just shows that some of the studios are still extremely naive when it comes to this stuff. If they're not going to do a simultaneous global release for these things, its going to get pirated.

Some people will never pay for a movie and will always pirate it, so they won't care if they end up watching a sub-par copy on their phones. Or a 4K copy on their big screens.

Some people will pirate a movie because they can't get to the cinema for whatever reason. These people would happily pay for a legit copy of a movie if its sensibly priced and easily available on day one.

If Warner Bros can't figure out a way to get HBO Max (or its content) available globally at a reasonable price, they should be putting stuff up to buy on iTunes, Amazon Prime etc, or they're just going to lose money due to piracy. I get that its a very fine balancing act as they ultimately need to get subscribers to their service, but they also need to bear in mind that there's so many subscription services now that a few are going to fall by the wayside.

For years the studios didn't have a way to get digital content out there. Now there's so many different ways to do it, but some of them still seem reluctant to use them to their advantage.
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As far as the movie goes, was enjoyable comic book fluff. Nothing groundbreaking plotwise, but I thought Gadot was really good as well as Pascal who was borderline hammy, but different enough from the usual villains we see.

Definitely needed some trimming on the runtime though.
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Old 26-12-2020, 13:09   #69
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Surely that depends on the quality HBOMax released it at ?
It's available in 4K Dolby Vision (dependent on device).

I've seen DV and HDR10 rips.
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January 13th it will be available on iTunes and Google play. 28 days after the cinema release. Think they'll push for this to be new window, as I believe UK distributors had historically had a 90 day release window before a film can be streamed or sold. If things are going to change from now on, this might be the compromise..


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Old 26-12-2020, 14:33   #71
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U.K. window is currently much longer than 90 days thinks it something like 4 months for online and 5 months for disc unless it’s an independent non Hollywood film with no window as we see for many foreign films.
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January 13th it will be available on iTunes and Google play. 28 days after the cinema release. Think they'll push for this to be new window, as I believe UK distributors had historically had a 90 day release window before a film can be streamed or sold. If things are going to change from now on, this might be the compromise..


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Its still a bit of a halfway house. Those who really want to see something but can't/won't go to the cinema will just pirate it. Social & online media don't help either by the rush to post spoilers about anything & everything, so I think the only solution will be to have simultaneous releases for stuff.

The big cinema chains might fold, but it might see independent ones thrive. The big chains can be a pretty depressing place to go at times as they don't seem to give a toss about customer service. The amount of people talking, on their phones, no projectionists etc.
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It's available in 4K Dolby Vision (dependent on device).
Exactly - so it makes sense that the original format would be the one that arrived in the pirate community first (no time needed for re-encoding)
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U.K. window is currently much longer than 90 days thinks it something like 4 months for online and 5 months for disc unless it’s an independent non Hollywood film with no window as we see for many foreign films.
Odeon battled Warner's when Alice in Wonderland came out on DVD after 12 weeks. From the usual 17 weeks at the time. Odeon did eventually give in though. Whether all films come out that quickly probably depends on the film...



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I hear the mid-credits will raise a smile.
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Old 26-12-2020, 15:22   #76
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Way to long and bloated, an hour and twenty before the movie actually gets going and by that time I just didn't care anymore.

Great idea for a plot just really badly done, could do with some serious editing. I am stumped by all the positive pre-release reviews.

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Old 26-12-2020, 15:24   #77
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Its still a bit of a halfway house. Those who really want to see something but can't/won't go to the cinema will just pirate it. Social & online media don't help either by the rush to post spoilers about anything & everything, so I think the only solution will be to have simultaneous releases for stuff.



The big cinema chains might fold, but it might see independent ones thrive. The big chains can be a pretty depressing place to go at times as they don't seem to give a toss about customer service. The amount of people talking, on their phones, no projectionists etc.
Don't particularly disagree. Not sure they will fold, there will be some ups and downs though. I don't think the studios will make as much money without being able to make a cinema 'event' out of their films... For the reasons youve said, piracy and their content getting lost on streaming platforms. Streaming is great for TV but not as good for movies.

I think the studios will need to compromise for the cinemas and the cinemas up their game. It is baffling how they can struggle to make money from what is essentially a big TV and some seating. It's the simplest business model there is. They want to make money from food, but fail miserably at selling it. Me and my friends go every week but NEVER buy any food or drink. It's laughably over priced. Our local cinema is in the middle of 3 restaurants and shares a car park with a Tesco. Cineworld must be managed by morons if they can't work out that anyone can get a McDonald's coffee and a bag of M&Ms on the way in for 1/10 the price.

Looking at the smaller chains, they are simply more reasonable on making money from refreshments and more creative with what they show and how they schedule it. When Cineworld do a Ghostbusters re-release for 1 day only and it's a packed out screen.. they can't put 2 and 2 together.

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So just watched it - Not a patch on the original unfortunately. It has some nice moments but the message is a bit too cheesy at times. The action can be decent one minute but then make you go "err wut?" as it gets a bit silly.

Plus as mentioned it's way too long. It takes over an hour for it to get going properly. And I didn't think Pedro Pascal looked very suited to his role.

So yeah other than that...
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I thought it was as garbage as the first one. Action scenes were comically bad and woefully directed. The first one in the mall had me properly laughing out loud how rubbish it was.
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Quite enjoyed the first one but this was just a big mess
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