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Old 07-01-2021, 17:08   #441
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. This trilogy tried to make everything bigger, faster, better and failed in every sense. You can sum it up in one image from the last film and that is all the Star Destroyers, 1,000s of them, why? Someone thinks it looks good but it brings nothing to the story bar a host of unanswerable questions.
Thats how Jar jar abrams writes Star trek and star wars, if he did another film it would be A super super Star Destroyers with super duper death star laser and be 20,000 of them
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Old 07-01-2021, 20:19   #442
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"Jar Jar" Abrams has had a very successful career as a filmmaker and most of his films have been overwhelmingly well received except for one Star Trek sequel and one Star Wars sequel. He hasn't written a single Star Trek film and neither has he written a single Star Wars film on his own either.

But I think you've basically proven my point: One bad Star Wars film and you are forever deemed a hack. Star Wars fans love Jon Favreau, they can't wait for him to take over Star Wars, but he's the guy who recently **** out a completely soulless Liion King remake where he moved the musical setpiece "can you feel the love tonight" to a scene in broad daylight! It's very easy to cherry pick stupid moments during filmmakers' careers.

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Old 07-01-2021, 23:20   #443
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"Jar Jar" Abrams has had a very successful career as a filmmaker and most of his films have been overwhelmingly well received except for one Star Trek sequel and one Star Wars sequel. He hasn't written a single Star Trek film and neither has he written a single Star Wars film on his own either.

But I think you've basically proven my point: One bad Star Wars film and you are forever deemed a hack. Star Wars fans love Jon Favreau, they can't wait for him to take over Star Wars, but he's the guy who recently **** out a completely soulless Liion King remake where he moved the musical setpiece "can you feel the love tonight" to a scene in broad daylight! It's very easy to cherry pick stupid moments during filmmakers' careers.
Abrahams is a decent director. He will never be anything but a shocking writer going on the stuff he’s churned out so far. The Force Awakens is a truly terrible story when you’ve got that sandbox of a world to play with.

Ignoring pretty much everything good that had gone before can be seen as brave or utterly foolish. It was very much the latter I’m afraid.
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His mission impossible film is probably the 2nd worst of the films made so far...
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His mission impossible film is probably the 2nd worst of the films made so far...
I think you are being kind of proving Shingstar's point and going out of your way to be unfair to JJ Abrams here. I would say that 2 is the only genuinely bad M:I film but would agree that 3 is weakest of the rest but still good fun. However, M:I 3 completely saved the franchise and set up much of the good stuff that was to follow.
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Just merely pointing out not all of his films have been good. The first Trek reboot I really enjoyed.
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Just merely pointing out not all of his films have been good. The first Trek reboot I really enjoyed.
Fair enough but my point was that suggesting that M:I 3 is not good is unfair for the reasons I mentioned. Of course it is all opinions at the end of the day.
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Of course, he's had a long career, he wrote Regarding Henry back in the day when he was credited as Jeffrey rather than JJ if memory serves me right. Again that's a good film that we still watch every so often.
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Old 08-01-2021, 15:40   #449
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I like Alias and Fringe (although alias did go through rough patch iirc that show also red ball of energy) He was/is exec producer for ST franchise and SW, and I don't think he did a good job this will make some really angry but
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Old 08-01-2021, 16:16   #450
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Just merely pointing out not all of his films have been good. The first Trek reboot I really enjoyed.
And where exactly have I said that all his films are good? Re-read my post, I said MOST of his films have been overwhelmingly well received. As Hood pointed out MI:3 was seen as a course-correction for the series after the insanity of the John Woo sequel.

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Abrahams is a decent director. He will never be anything but a shocking writer going on the stuff he’s churned out so far. The Force Awakens is a truly terrible story when you’ve got that sandbox of a world to play with.

Ignoring pretty much everything good that had gone before can be seen as brave or utterly foolish. It was very much the latter I’m afraid.
Well, Force Awakens is a total rehash of everything that comes before so I would argue his biggest mistake was not introducing anything original and not following through with an emerging story arc for his successor to follow, but I would imagine Rian Johnson would have still done his own thing and erase all that came before anyway.

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Relax dude, we don't have to reference every single thing someone has said, it's just a friendly forum where people reply or write new things.
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Yeah like replying to points that were never made and then acting all put-upon when someone simply corrects you. I couldn't be any more "relaxed".
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I liked Force Awakens, it was setting something up and was a good movie in it's own right. The problem they seemed to have is having no real plan as a trilogy and then bringing JJ back to try and save it.
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I liked Force Awakens, it was setting something up and was a good movie in it's own right. The problem they seemed to have is having no real plan as a trilogy and then bringing JJ back to try and save it.
What did you feel the first time you saw it? Did you see it at the cinema on opening night with all the hype that went with it?

It seems that like the original film, it could stand on its own without the need for a sequel as it follows a similar path with the destruction of the Death Star at the end but obviously in this case being Starkiller Base.
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Yes I did. It was a remake of the first one I'll grant you, but it was good fun none the less.

The problem of the second one was it was played for laughs and wasn't a remake of Empire, but a remake of the first twenty minutes of Empire but put it at the end and then extended the boring bit with yoda to the whole rest of the movie, with a horse chase thrown in.
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Yes, the Last Jedi is too long, has poor logic and effects (the horse bit is a perfect example). I can't read Rian Johnson's mind obviously but it seems he just didn't understand Star Wars or was under pressure from someone like Kathleen Kennedy to try and do something radically different.

With any franchise it's almost impossible to get right I would think. Play it safe and people say it was boring and too predictable. Try and do something completely different and you risk alienating the existing fanbase.

The exception to this rule seems to be the Marvel films, which all basically follow the same pattern yet continue to rake in at the box office.
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As someone who avoided seeing Star Wars at the cinema on its original release because it was a kid’s movie not something any self-respecting 16yr old punk rocker would go to see - I found the middle one by far the best of the sequels. I’ve never liked quasi-religious stuff in sci fi and genre films or tv, see Lost, BSG, DS9 etc, so abandoning all the Skywalker and midichlorian BS gave hope for the remainder of the trilogy.

Unfortunately they threw it all away.
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