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Old 28-04-2016, 11:33   #21
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Alien is the best.

Any one who disagrees is a Batman V Superman fan.

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Old 28-04-2016, 12:31   #22
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I still have not seen BvS and I'm not in any rush to, but i do prefer Aliens over Alien.
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Old 28-04-2016, 12:33   #23
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Alien for me - it also did a lot of the hard work for Cameron in setting up that universe (if you want to call it that). Aliens is a fine film in it's own right of course but practically everything is better in Alien… not least of all the amazing cast. While we may get off on Vasquez yelling "let's roooooccckkkk!" and Hudson's "game over man"… beyond Weaver, none of them can hold a candle to any of the actors speaking even the most banal dialogue in the first movie. "Right!"

Visually I don't think either film has really aged much at all though.
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Old 28-04-2016, 12:40   #24
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The originals are nearly always the best, as the sequels wouldn't exist without them. They have created the characters and the world.

And in the case of alien, I feel Cameron spoilt it by throwing loads at the screen, less is more. The same as daleks, in Dalek one dalek was scary, but the scariness of daleks is diminished when thousands are thrown at the screen and they still get defeated.
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Old 28-04-2016, 12:48   #25
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Alien is the best.

Any one who disagrees is a Batman V Superman fan.

Alien is the best sci-fi horror and Aliens the best sci-fi action

I am a Batman V Superman fan and proud of it
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Old 28-04-2016, 15:57   #26
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Alien is the best sci-fi horror and Aliens the best sci-fi action

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This - but from a desert island disc perspective, I'd pick Alien in a heartbeat

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Old 28-04-2016, 17:47   #27
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Nope ALien isn't the best SF horror, for me it'd be between The Thing, They Fly (1986) and Invasion of the Bodysnatcher (1978). Interesting that all of my faves are remakes.
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Old 28-04-2016, 18:24   #28
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Between the two films, I have to day the original Alien has aged better and always was the classier of the two. That said, Cameron's Aliens is more watchable for its better characterisation and orchestrated violence.
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Old 28-04-2016, 20:21   #29
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Nope ALien isn't the best SF horror, for me it'd be between The Thing, They Fly (1986) and Invasion of the Bodysnatcher (1978). Interesting that all of my faves are remakes.
The Thing is another of my favorites but I'd say Alien has aged better, most of the effects in The Thing hold up today except the stop motion Blair Monster at the end. As for The Fly sorry the effects are the worst of the three films you mentioned.

The effects on Alien are better IMO than those of Alien 3, Alien Resurrection and the AVP 1 and 2 (well of what you could see of them the whole film was too dark).

However I will give The Fly the credit it deserves, it has more of a gross-out factor especially when Brundlefly eats and during his final transformation, whereas Alien has more scares
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Old 28-04-2016, 21:04   #30
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Alien is decidedly superior to The Thing overall. The latter is a good film but has a slightly campy atmosphere compared with Scott's classic.

Never liked Cronenberg's The Fly. IMO it is grossly overrated and a very ordinary film.
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Old 28-04-2016, 23:45   #31
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Great thread! Loving the split on preference.

I re-watched Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 in one sitting on Alien Day so it's all fresh in my mind though it has to be said that Aliens is in my top 3 of all time. Saying that, Alien is certainly up there. Both are masterpieces of their respective aims (tense, claustrophobic dread / thrill ride actioner) and it will always come down to personal preference.

I watched them on the blu-ray anthology set which I had not cracked open yet and my God, Alien & Aliens especially look incredible! Neither have aged a day (and with the amazing creature effects, still look better than most of today's recent output). If anything, the horrendous 90s CG dates 3 and Resurrection horribly.

Can you even imagine a scenario these days where you could have a franchise with an instalment directed by the likes of Scott, Cameron, Fincher etc. All the same universe, each one completely beholden to an artistic vision (Fincher maybe less so/compromised). Compared to how similar all the Marvel stuff looks to each other...

Would a modern equivalent be a science fiction monster movie franchise with films directed by people like Nolan, Abrams and Villeneuve. Boggles the mind.
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Old 29-04-2016, 09:28   #32
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Great thread! Loving the split on preference.

If anything, the horrendous 90s CG dates 3 and Resurrection horribly.
There's actually no CG in Alien 3*, it's all puppetry. The thing which looks off is that it isn't superimposed into the film very well. But yeah, it's terrible in Resurrection.

*the only CG shots are the weather effects outside during the storm, and cracking effect on the alien's head under the water sprinklers.

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There's actually no CG in Alien 3*, it's all puppetry. The thing which looks off is that it isn't superimposed into the film very well. But yeah, it's terrible in Resurrection.

*the only CG shots are the weather effects outside during the storm, and cracking effect on the alien's head under the water sprinklers.
Would composting the original elements again make a better finished product?
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Old 29-04-2016, 11:08   #34
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I'd like to see them clean up the effects in Alien3. The audio work they did for the assembly cut on the blu-ray finally made it finally feel like a complete film, but those poorly composited effects shots are irksome.
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There's actually no CG in Alien 3*, it's all puppetry. The thing which looks off is that it isn't superimposed into the film very well. But yeah, it's terrible in Resurrection.
Oh cool, I did not know that. Interesting technique but yeah, any shot of it running around corridors or up on the ceiling pulls me right out of it, especially coming off the perfection of every creature moment in Aliens
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Anyone else notice that in the special edition of Alien3, the first guy to die gets killed looking for a dog that technically doesn't exist any more?
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Anyone else notice that in the special edition of Alien3, the first guy to die gets killed looking for a dog that technically doesn't exist any more?
I thought of that too, but then assumed that the alien embryo turned the dog into a cow to give itself more room and the prisoners in Floriana were too thick or high to notice.
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I wonder if anyones views would change if it were The Directors Cuts of both movies?

Aliens DC fleshed out the story much more than the theatrical cut did. but was not impressed with the DC of Alien.
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I wonder if anyones views would change if it were The Directors Cuts of both movies?

Aliens DC fleshed out the story much more than the theatrical cut did. but was not impressed with the DC of Alien.
I prefer the original cut of Alien, the Directors Cut is OK but adds little to the story for me; the scene

Where Ripley stumbles upon Dallas and Brett cocooned and turning into eggs makes little sense in the overall Alien mythology so I'm not sure why they put it back in; after all the sequels went the way of a queen laying the eggs. It slows down what should be a race against time to the shuttle.

It also raises the question why did the Alien go off for a sleep in the shuttle when the cocooning process was not finished. And why leave Parker and Lambert after doing god knows what to her in the same place they were killed.


Aliens Special Edition I find a better watch than the theatrical; it goes at such a pace you don't really notice it. If possible I would have added more to show how the aliens took over the colony. I still don't get how you go from one infected colonist to losing the whole colony.
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It was the directors cut / special editions they showed at the cinema this week.
I prefer the cinema cut of both of them to be honest.
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