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Old 20-01-2014, 16:29   #1
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Orange Cards / The Sin Bin: An answer to the crap refereeing we get in the EPL?

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Fifa presidential candidate Jerome Champagne has suggested introducing orange cards that would allow referees to send players to a sin-bin.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25811977

Case in point: Vidic was sent off yesterday for dangerous play. Some people think red, others yellow. An orange card - get him off the pitch for 10 minutes - would have been a fair decision. The advantage would have gone to Chelsea for that time, but the player would have a second chance in the event that it was an accident / bad refereeing decision.

That would leave the red card for what it always used to be used for: serious violent conduct.

The game is too fast now and refereeing is more important than ever and it would eliminate the ill feeling towards refs when they make decisions that go on to seriously change the game (see United vs Real Madrid last season). It would also give them an option in the opening ten minutes of a match when most refs are reluctant to send anybody off, even if there is violent play (thereby punishing a dodgy tackle in the 60th minute disproportionately).

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Old 20-01-2014, 16:39   #2
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Vidic got sent off a minute into what should have been four minutes of injury time. And Rafael should have seen red four minutes into what ended up being five of injury time. So do you carry those sin bin punishments forwards to the next match? Alternatively, it may encourage dangerous play in injury time.

If you've got something that you feel should have been a red, give them an orange card and get a panel to review it during those ten minutes (three video referees sat in a room whenever there is a match on). That way, they either come back on afterwards or don't. I guess this leads to differences between what happens at the top of the game and in grass roots football, which is something they seem to be keen to avoid.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:52   #3
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Would just be another thing that refs would use inconsistently and open up more controversy. Anything open to intereptation leads to this.
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Old 20-01-2014, 17:06   #4
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I think it would be a good idea, the orange could be the new 2nd yellow which would give the player 10 mins in the bin - if he comes back on and fouls again then it will be red. Of course a straight red should be used in cases of dangerous play as it is now.
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Old 20-01-2014, 17:14   #5
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I think we should keep things as they are, nothing wrong with the system imo.
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Old 20-01-2014, 17:27   #6
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I think we should keep things as they are, nothing wrong with the system imo.
I partly agree. However I think it would be good to let the FA review decisions regardless of whether the ref has seen it or not. Have a citing panel too like rugby so some tackles or incidents can be reviewed after the game and retrospectively carded.
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Old 20-01-2014, 19:07   #7
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I think it would be a good idea, the orange could be the new 2nd yellow which would give the player 10 mins in the bin -
That would just see an increase in cynical fouling. If players are already silly/dirty enough to risk a second yellow when they miss the rest of the match then why would they be worried about 10 minutes?
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Old 20-01-2014, 19:09   #8
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Retrospective refereeing would be the most effective tool to clean up the game a little and make players think twice. Especially if they refuse to have an in game video referee.
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How about we keep the system that works perfectly fine and produce better, more consistent, professional referees?
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The game is too quick now though Lou and the players are getting too good at cheating.
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Old 20-01-2014, 19:15   #11
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How about we keep the system that works perfectly fine and produce better, more consistent, professional referees?
I agree, ones that would have given luiz a Red card in the first half yesterday.
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I agree, ones that would have given luiz a Red card in the first half yesterday.
So we have to train referees to give all decisions United's way, just like in the old days?

Your team lost because they played dog-****. Get over it.
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So we have to train referees to give all decisions United's way, just like in the old days?

Your team lost because they played dog-****. Get over it.
No, train referees to give yellow & red cards when they are warranted. Chelsea are no exception, but it seems they are. He should have walked twice over.
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You are full of **** I'm afraid. Even your fellow Man Utd fans laugh at your rants

Was Rafael's tackle a red card in your opinion?
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Give every team 3 challenges for the match. It's up to the captain/manager to decide whether to challenge trivial decisions or save it for offside, red card etc.

An additional rule - any player who stands arms held out like the Christ The Redeemer Statue, imploring the ref - that counts as a challenge.

Otherwise keep everything the same as it is and accept that referees are human and do well to spot as much as they do with all the conniving cheats about.
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You are full of **** I'm afraid. Even your fellow Man Utd fans laugh at your rants

Was Rafael's tackle a red card in your opinion?
So you lose the argument & resort to ********. You always run down Suarez, Young & so on, yet you can't accept that the biggest divers & cheats are & were in your team. Drogba & luiz for starters. Luiz should have been off twice yesterday.

Regarding the orange cards, I'm all for anything that gives realistic punishments & technology that improves getting the right decision.
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:26   #17
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What a wonderful idea ... refs in this country can't even administer red and yellow cards correctly and in adherence to fairly basic rules. He have ******* no chance of working with 3 of them
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:37   #18
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The whole point is that the orange card would introduce some leeway. At the moment, a red card is given for everything from a rough mistimed tackle that was a genuine attempt right through to biting someone. There has to be something in between, surely.
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Some players wouldn't see taking a ten minute breather as a punishment.
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The yellow card is already leeway between a caution and a sending off.
Keep it simple.
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