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Old 28-01-2012, 15:13   #141
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Not having our 2 first choice centre-backs, nor our 2 most creative players didn't make a difference then? Interesting.

Utd managed to beat Arsenal and City, then a disappointing, extraordinarily narrow defeat (AT ANFIELD!!) and the world is coming to an end. Again. It's farcical.
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Depressing times for United at the moment:
1)Current team: not good enough - no where near!
2)Out of the fa cup to a poor Liverpool team
3)Out of the league cup to Crystal Palace(even s combination of 1st team and squad players) couldn't beat palace at home.
4)Out of champions league - failure to defeat Basel and Benfica home and away
5) An ageing midfield anchored by players 35+
6) Rooney apart, no class striker up front
7) Glazers continue to bleed money out the club
8) failures over the past 3 seasons to purchase a midfielder. When will this ever be addressed
9) will we win the league - highly doubtful.
10) will we win the Europa cup - highly doubtful.
In case you missed it. We are out of everything now. Our team is poor & has been all season. Manchester City are buying the league without earning the money. Posts like your last one do nothing but cover up the cracks.
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Old 28-01-2012, 15:15   #142
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2005 was the last trophyless season I think
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Old 28-01-2012, 15:16   #143
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when was the last time United won nothing all season? I can still remember barely winning the league cup a few years back, but that's still one "major" trophy...
We didn't win anything in 2005 IIRC, but bounced back with 3 titles on the trot.

So the world didn't end that season either.
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Old 28-01-2012, 15:19   #144
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In case you missed it. We are out of everything now. Our team is poor & has been all season. Manchester City are buying the league without earning the money. Posts like your last one do nothing but cover up the cracks.
You are a like a petulant child. Since when did Utd have a god-given right to win everything every season?

We're second in a highly competitive league and have been competing consistently in all tournaments (and winning them) for a generation.

In the last 20 years we've seen off Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, and we'll do the same to City.

Post like yours are embarrassing.

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We didn't win anything in 2005 IIRC, but bounced back with 3 titles on the trot.

So the world didn't end that season either.
And in the last 6 years what players have we bought?
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Old 28-01-2012, 15:20   #146
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Not having our 2 first choice centre-backs, nor our 2 most creative players didn't make a difference then? Interesting.

Utd managed to beat Arsenal and City, then a disappointing, extraordinarily narrow defeat (AT ANFIELD!!) and the world is coming to an end. Again. It's farcical.


No Cleverly, Anderson or Jones available today either has to be accounted for. I don't try and claim that this is a great United side and we are far from top strength, but to write them off as a bunch of no-hopers is beyond the pale.

We are presently three points behind a team that has spent MEGA, fantasy football money in the premier league and TEN points clear of Chelsea and FIFTEEN in front of Arsenal and Liverpool.

If I was a fan of any of those three teams I'd be a lot more concerned. Chelsea need to buy practically a whole new team if they want to adapt to AVB's style (which has been 'proved' over one season at Porto), Wenger's Arsenal project is surely finished now he has lost the key components and its replacements are massively inferior players and Liverpool are not a great deal further forward than twelve months ago having spent the best part of a Ł100 on ordinary players.

Fergie needs to be given money though and I don't believe the Glazers will release it to him at present, regardless of what Gill says. I don't mind if he continues purchasing younger players (though established younger players) would be preferred, even if it means we drag behind City for a season or two, but he needs to reinvent that midfield, get in a quality right-back and possibly a replacement for Berbs.
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Old 28-01-2012, 15:24   #147
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You are a like a petulant child. Since when did Utd have a god-given right to win everything every season?

We're second in a highly competitive league and have been competing consistently in all tournaments (and winning them) for a generation.

In the last 20 years we've seen off Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, and we'll do the same to City.

Post like yours are embarrassing.
Didgusting. You try to cover up Uniteds loss buy calling names like to quote you 'a petulant child'. We don't have any god given right to win anything, but we, as fans have to right to expect a club like United to rotate players, ie as good players are sold or come to the end of there playing life, to replace them with new quality blood & at least then have a fighting chance.
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I'm with Micon on this one. We are supposed to be with Real and Barca, the biggest and most profitable teams in World Football.

Yes, I know the blame lies with the Glazers to a large extent but this United team is awful. Rusty, did you not watch this seasons champions league campaign. You get 6 cracks of the whip to get through your group and we were awful, even against that awful part time Romanian team.

Even with our first choice team, it is ageing and lacking any creativity.
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Not having our 2 first choice centre-backs, nor our 2 most creative players didn't make a difference then? Interesting.

Utd managed to beat Arsenal and City, then a disappointing, extraordinarily narrow defeat (AT ANFIELD!!) and the world is coming to an end. Again. It's farcical.
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In case you missed it. We are out of everything now. Our team is poor & has been all season. Manchester City are buying the league without earning the money. Posts like your last one do nothing but cover up the cracks.
So, United missing Rooney, Nani, Cleverly, Anderson, Vidic and Jones had no bearing at all on today's result then.

How do you plan to fix the United 'problem'? We have no money, we aren't in a position to match City's spending, we can't stop City spending, we are wiping the floor domestically with every other rival?

What is the answer? Get a ******* striker?

It is fine to point out our limitations but you can't write-off the team every time we lose a game and (as rustybin rightly points out) we don't have an automatic entitlement to win every competition we enter in a league which now has six top sides. In Europe, we've had a bad year, but three finals in four years is pretty impressive, only probably the best club side the world has seen stopped us adding at least a second triumph to the tally.
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Old 28-01-2012, 15:29   #150
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What do you expect from ignorant scouse *****?
if you ever went to a game you'd realise that booing opposition players happens pretty regularly.
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Old 28-01-2012, 15:30   #151
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And in the last 6 years what players have we bought?
our future is based on the young squad we have now. they need time to mature. you can't honestly expect us to win every single season, can you? we have a very capable squad, when fit. injuries permitting we can fight for the title. we are yet to see how city handle the pressure of a title run in, that could tip it in our favour.
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The League is completely doable. We've come from further behind than this to win it before. I think City will win it but we stand a decent enough chance unless our injuries get even worse.
The upcoming fixtures are very tough for you though, and City's are very favourable.

I'd like to see you catch up with them but I don't think you will.
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I thought Roy Keane spoke a lot of sense after today's match. Yes United had lots of possession, but possession doesn't win football matches. Once we got into the final third the quality pass, move, vision or how ever you want to call it was non existent.
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I personally think these cup knockouts are what we need IMO, it gives the club no choice but to bring in new players.

Absolutely no fight at all in the team today. Watching the game with a hangover didn't help much either!
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as fans have to right to expect a club like United to rotate players, ie as good players are sold or come to the end of there playing life, to replace them with new quality blood & at least then have a fighting chance.
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We are supposed to be with Real and Barca, the biggest and most profitable teams in World Football.

Yes, I know the blame lies with the Glazers to a large extent
Jesus - we have not got the money and it is all down to the Glazers.

Fergie has brought in Young, Jones, Smalling and De Gea (jury out for him at this time) and they appeared good purchases and the type of talent we need. He clearly hasn't got the funds to bring in a WC midfield player in the centre of the park otherwise he surely would have done.

You can criticise Glazer but you need to realise that Fergie has worked miracles just to keep us in touch with City. Again, Chelsea are THIRTEEN points behind, Liverpool and Arsenal EIGHTEEN. Liverpool and Chelsea have spent mega-money too and they can't complete.

Plus, this failure to even acknowledge the effect of our injury list is frankly ridiculous. Again, as of today it was Vidic, Jones, Cleverly, Anderson, Young, Rooney and Nani - what sides are necessarily going to win at Anfield with that lot missing and, to be frank, we might as of easily nicked it today than lost it.
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I thought Roy Keane spoke a lot of sense after today's match. Yes United had lots of possession, but possession doesn't win football matches. Once we got into the final third the quality pass, move, vision or how ever you want to call it was non existent.
No ******* **** Sherlock - Keane has been on a vendetta against Fergie ever since he got sacked for being crap at Ipswich.

Today we only really had Valencia providing the creativity - the criticism of Welbeck was extremely unfair given how isolated he was. We all know we need a midfielder but apart from that maybe Fergie could have risked starting Berbs - other than that the creative players were out injured - one or two of Rooney, Young or Nani and the result may have been different.
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Plus, this failure to even acknowledge the effect of our injury list is frankly ridiculous. Again, as of today it was Vidic, Jones, Cleverly, Anderson, Young, Rooney and Nani - what sides are necessarily going to win at Anfield with that lot missing and, to be frank, we might as of easily nicked it today than lost it.
we have played crap with those in the team as well, don't you watch all the United matches?
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if you ever went to a game you'd realise that booing opposition players happens pretty regularly.
I've been to plenty of games thanks.
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I've been to plenty of games thanks.
Sunday league doesn't count.
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we have played crap with those in the team as well, don't you watch all the United matches?
It hasn't been our greatest season but we have managed to, so far, beat Arsenal twice, City twice, Spurs and Chelsea plus recorded three 5-0 wins against lower opposition, two of those away from home.

It is all about perspective - we have troubles, we have areas we desperately need to remedy. However, we are also second in the league and have an exciting tie coming up against Ajax (albeit in a abject competition). Rather than look forward to that though, let us ignore any good results and make everything as bad as we possibly can, cause that seems to be the 'United way' among some on here.

Again, I ask you - how do we fix the problems, given that we can only assume there is no money available from the Glazers. What do we do? How does Fergie manoeuvre this side back to where our 'divine right is to be'? Do we actually get rid of Fergie now - bring in Jose maybe, he has never needed to spend money? Over to you maestro...
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