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Old 21-11-2011, 15:40   #121
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I notice that The Boss is playing the Ethiad on 22nd June - hopefully that will swell the coffers a bit!
Where did you hear that? Got a link?
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Old 21-11-2011, 15:43   #122
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http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news...Etihad-Stadium
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Old 21-11-2011, 16:23   #123
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If you want to believe that you have to You have to admit it's one hell of a coincidence that an airline who is investing unprecedented figure into a football club just happens to chose the airport a few miles down the road for it's expansion. But then, the world is full of coincidence.
An even bigger coincidence is that Etihad Airlines, the flag-carrier of Abu Dhabi whose chairman is Mansour's half-brother, out of the blue decide to sponsor an English football club to the tune of £400m. Remarkable coincidence that.

I've never made secret the fact that I've found City's spending splurge crass and vulgar, but so be it; but trying to cheat their way out of the FFP rules is stomach-churning.
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Old 21-11-2011, 16:34   #124
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An even bigger coincidence is that Etihad Airlines, the flag-carrier of Abu Dhabi whose chairman is Mansour's half-brother, out of the blue decide to sponsor an English football club to the tune of £400m. Remarkable coincidence that.

I've never made secret the fact that I've found City's spending splurge crass and vulgar, but so be it; but trying to cheat their way out of the FFP rules is stomach-churning.
I have no doubt that Etihad sponsoring Man City is related to Mansour's take over, they are 2 up and coming brands from the same country trying to ride off of each others success.

I just dont see the issue with the scale of the sponsorship as there has never been anything of this scale sponsored before.

And when you lock into a 10 year sponsorship deal, you are not only sponsoring on current value but the potential market exposure over that 10 years, and no one can doubt that potential exposure is huge.

If you think that's trying to cheat than so be it. I dont. The only thing I would consider "cheating" is the rumour of trying to offload back end staff onto the campus to try to get them off the books.

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Old 21-11-2011, 17:56   #125
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Where did you hear that? Got a link?
It was the "Darkness" thread on these forums where I first heard about the tour.
You can also find it, among other places, on:-

http://www.brucespringsteen.net/news/index.html
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Cheers. 3rd December is in the diary.
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Old 22-11-2011, 09:39   #127
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Yes, the FFP rules don't kick in for another 3 years but when they do start they will be based on the previous 3 years accounts ie you have 3 yrs to 'break even' not 6.
It would appear that we were mistaken. Apparently ( I didn't see it personally ) Sky Sports News had a half hour long show last night dedicated to FFPR and they states 2018 is the must "Break even" point.

All I could find online was this.

http://www.thelawyer.com/the-uefa-fi...009960.article

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The rules will come into force gradually from the 2013-14 season with a number of support mechanisms and buffers designed to assist during the introductory years. By 2018 when national European teams should be visiting Russia for the FIFA World Cup, the FFPR state that every licensed club should achieve a ’break-even’ financial position.

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An Interesting article about the Financial Fair Play Rules by Martin Samuel in the Mail tday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...in-Samuel.html

Seems well thought out piece
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Old 22-11-2011, 13:56   #129
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It would appear that we were mistaken. Apparently ( I didn't see it personally ) Sky Sports News had a half hour long show last night dedicated to FFPR and they states 2018 is the must "Break even" point.

All I could find online was this.

http://www.thelawyer.com/the-uefa-fi...009960.article
That's sort of what I thought ...

By the end of 2014/2015 you must not have lost more than £40M over the previous 3 years. By the end of 2017/2018 you must be at least breaking even over the previous 3 years.

The question is how strict UEFA are going to be ? "You made a £42M loss ? Sorry you're out"

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it's a well written piece, but mainly for the implications for prospective buyers of other clubs.

City are following the Chelsea model of spending big and fast. I doubt the FFP has had any effect on this, rather on the ways and means in which they will 'generate' the income to make sure everything remains 'above board'...
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Those clinging to FFP and hoping it will be some kind of handbrake on City are going to be sorely disappointed.

The Times have been running some great articles deconstructing it lately.

IF UEFA ever try to impose serious sanctions (which they won't) they will be sued and they will lose. Which they already know. Hence Platini asking for judicial protection for the EC "otherwise it is going to be difficult".

This is why we are already hearing leaks regarding the watering down of sanctions, and the softening of the criteria from absolutes (45m over three years) to assessing 'trends' to see if financial positions are improving.

Heard a Deloitte analyst who's been advising UEFA on this for a few years speak about it at a conference recently - fascinating stuff, but the definition of a 'pipedream'.

Look elsewhere for salvation those who long for City to come unstuck, FFP isn't it.

Surprised by how far The Times has gone on this, but this opening from them just about sums it up:

"When the phrase “financial fair play” was first mentioned in Uefa circles in the autumn of 2008, there was no doubt about the kind of foul play it was designed to outlaw. As David Taylor, the Uefa general secretary, put it, it was all about tackling “a problem with clubs that secure debt . . . in order to compete at a higher level than their resources would allow”. Hear that? It was about debt. Not expenditure, not curtailing the excesses of those clubs who are suddenly bought by a wealthy individual with the resources to spend beyond their wildest dreams. It was an initiative reinforced by Uefa’s discomfort at that year’s Champions League final, which was contested between Chelsea (£736 million in debt) and Manchester United (£764 million in debt).

Funnily enough, “financial fair play” ended up being something completely different. By the time it began to crystalise, Europe’s most powerful clubs — United, Inter Milan, Real Madrid and others — had pointed out to Uefa that debt was not the problem. The problem was those clubs such as Manchester City, who were intent on challenging and upsetting European football’s established order."
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That must really make you so proud.
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That must really make you so proud.
It does yeah.

Must you troll this thread constantly? Surely you must be boring yourself by now?
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Old 22-11-2011, 19:10   #134
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Interesting line up for tonight. Don't know whether injuries are a factor but Dzeko & Balotelli play, with Aguero on the bench and Barry is also on the bench.

Looking forward to a cracking game.
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IF UEFA ever try to impose serious sanctions (which they won't) they will be sued and they will lose. Which they already know. Hence Platini asking for judicial protection for the EC "otherwise it is going to be difficult".
Interesting theory but why would they lose. If everybody else is currently "cutting their cloth" to fit in with the rules everybody was told to abide by and Man City are allowed to get away with it ... who do you think UEFA has the best chance against ? Man City or "everyone else" ?

There is nothing to stop UEFA putting "adherence to FFP rules" as a prerequisite for entance to their competitions and there would be nothing that any team could do about it. If there was, you could have the 5th place team in the Premier League suing them for not being allowed into the competition.
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Now that City have a couple of wins to settle the Champions league nerves I fully expect you to win by a couple tonight.
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Now that City have a couple of wins to settle the Champions league nerves I fully expect you to win by a couple tonight.
I wish I had your Confidence PI
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Surely teams would break away to their own competitions like they were doing before, then uefa would be screwed
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Not sure that the Europa league qualifies.

Such a brave effort from the billionaires. Such a pity. I wonder just how much money it will eventually take.
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Despite the result, I enjoyed that. You can't really argue that Napoli have played very well against us over the 2 matches and deserve their edge in their group.

We didn't play that badly either, apart from going to sleep for about 10 minutes after half time. Don't understand why mancini didn't bring Aguero & Johnson on after about 60 minutes, but Ihe can't get it right every time!

Only mathematics can save us now, but unfortunately we're relying on Villareal and not Einstein.
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