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Old 20-11-2011, 09:46   #61
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You still have nothng to say about the way that we are playing after your outbursts against Mancini's style last season which you were so quick to condemn. Look at your post after the City V's Arsenal game last season
I stand by what I said - for a side that had spent hundreds of millions, City were a cowardly disgrace. They are playing attractive football now, but given the amount of money have spent, so they ******* well should. I can't respect it or care about it any more than someone playing Football Manager with the cheat turned on though.

No response to my query about your football was ruined comment, or are there other posts I made 12 months ago you'd rather talk about?

I don't expect you or anyone to change the club you support based on the events that have been thrust upon the team. I just find your need for justification and validation from others strange, and your posts which swing from saying City are a good thing from football, then say that football was already ruined and City are just doing what other clubs do massively contridictory.

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Old 20-11-2011, 11:52   #62
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I have a question for Citysmith as I honestly can't work how they're going to do it ...

City's losses last year were £195m (and that doesn't include the £75M they spent in the summer which will obviously be shown in next year figuress) and their wage bill exceeds their turnover [ eg Gate receipts of £19,676,000, wage Bill of £173,977,000 ]

According to FFP rules you must not have more than, on average, a £14M loss per year for the next 3 years. Given that 2011-2012 you are effectively starting at £75M loss how are City going to get to the required financial state ?

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Old 20-11-2011, 11:56   #63
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I have a question for Citysmith as I honestly can't work how they're going to do it ...

City's losses last year were £195m (and that doesn't include the £75M they spen in the summer which will obviously be shown in next year figuress) and their wage bill exceeds their turnover [ eg Gate receipts of £19,676,000, wage Bill of £173,977,000 ]

According to FFP rules you must not have more than, on average, a £14M loss per year for the next 3 years. Given that 2011-2012 you are effectively starting at £75M loss how are City going to get to the required financial state ?
They'll try to cheat their way out of it by effectively paying themselves advertising money etc, then fight the authorities in the courts when they come down on them.

I see merchandising etc is already up 22% which is quite impressive, but it can't getting too much higher than that in the short term.

Perhaps they can buy another PL club, then sell Tevez to them for £400m. That's what I do when I play Championship Manager.

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Old 20-11-2011, 12:18   #64
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Well I can't believe it but I wake up this morning to find myself agreeing with Gary Neville of all people:-

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"When clubs invest and break up the United, Arsenal or Liverpool domination I think it’s better for the Premier League. I genuinely believe spending to bring in Silva, Dzeko or Aguero is good for football. Do I want to see City win? No, I'm a United fan. But in terms of competition it makes for a better Premier League."
AB to answer part of your question MANCHESTER CITY'S £200M KIT DEAL

campdave you find my so called need for 'justification and validation from others strange' but continue to post and ask me questions? Maybe I am strange
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I stand by what I said - for a side that had spent hundreds of millions, City were a cowardly disgrace.
Your opinion, but the way I see it, Mancini had to guarantee 4th spot to allow him to keep his job and thereby allow him to continue building his team. He set out with a game plan to "spoil" the established top 4 and beat everybody else and it worked like a charm.

Anybody who thinks that they can just chuck a load of money in a blender and come up with an all-conquering team in a matter of months doesn't know football. The experts acknowledge that it takes time to build a team, time to establish a way of playing an Mancini has done just that and we are now reaping the benefits.

We couldn't have played the way we are playing now at this time last year; it took until the back end of last season - nearly 18 months after Mancini got the job, to reach that level.

The thought that we need validation from you, JealousYankee or any fan of any other team is, quite frankly, laughable.
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campdave you find my so called need for 'justification and validation from others strange' but continue to post and ask me questions? Maybe I am strange
So you're not going to answer the question then?
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AB to answer part of your question MANCHESTER CITY'S £200M KIT DEAL
You're using a story in the Daily Star ?? [ and who the hell are "Under Armour" the supposed new kit manufacturer for LFC ]

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So you're not going to answer the question then?
I think I'll need this one spelling out to me. What question would you like answering? Is this some sort of a campdave trap in that if I answer your question you'll tell me I'm looking for validation from you?

AB, it maybe the Star but I can see this type of thing becoming the norm as City start to gain points and collect CL money etc....
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You're using a story in the Daily Star ?? [ and who the hell are "Under Armour" the supposed new kit manufacturer for LFC ]
Under Armour are big in the US, also make the Wales Rugby Union kit
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You say that Manchester City are ruining football, whislt I argue that it was ruined already
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If it was ruined already, how is everything City is doing not making it worse?

You've posted incessantly about how they are good for the game and now imply they are merely joining a broken system?
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Under Armour are big in the US, also make the Wales Rugby Union kit
Ah, them. But the general consensus seems to be that they're not Liverpool's new kit maker.
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Ah, them. But the general consensus seems to be that they're not Liverpool's new kit maker.
Did I say they were going to be?
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Did I say they were going to be?
No. The Daily Star did in the story about City's alleged new £200M shirt deal.
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To quote Gary Neville
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So I see it as Manchester United would have won the Premiership very year apart from 3 if it were not for investment from an outside source. This in no way can be good for competition. City will add to the mix, something different to spice things up.

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Not only Chelsea and United have won the Premier League, you're forgetting Arsenal and Blackburn.
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So I see it as Manchester United would have won the Premiership very year apart from 3 if it were not for investment from an outside source. This in no way can be good for competition. City will add to the mix, something different to spice things up.

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Not really. You've highlighted Man Utd's hoovering up of Sky money as unhealthy, and that their spending was somehow unfair, despite earning the money they have spent. If City do the same thing, by your own arguments, that is not fair surely.

You said football was ruined - what exactly are City doing that is not contributing to that?

The competition thing is moot - City want to be at the top for as long as possible (naturally - which club wouldn't). might be interesting for a year or two, but a new status quo will develop, just as tedious as the last.

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Ah, them. But the general consensus seems to be that they're not Liverpool's new kit maker.
They signed up as Spurs' kit maker for the next 5 years, deal worth up to 10mil. Have quite a bit of shop presence over in the States.
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No I haven't

Campdave, we are not going to agree on this point. You say the point is moot, I say it's not, there you go.
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I have a question for Citysmith as I honestly can't work how they're going to do it ...

City's losses last year were £195m (and that doesn't include the £75M they spent in the summer which will obviously be shown in next year figuress) and their wage bill exceeds their turnover [ eg Gate receipts of £19,676,000, wage Bill of £173,977,000 ]

According to FFP rules you must not have more than, on average, a £14M loss per year for the next 3 years. Given that 2011-2012 you are effectively starting at £75M loss how are City going to get to the required financial state ?
Surely they've looking at a £225m loss for the forthcoming year (the loss on wages is £155m alone, plus the £75m in player purchases).

The massive (and dubious) £400m sponsorship from Etihad is spread over 10 years, so only £40m per season. The proposed new £200m kit deal is only £26m per season in reality. That's £66m, barely making a dent in their £225 deficit.
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