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Old 25-12-2007, 23:47   #121
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A simple season early on with a forklift would have set it up and removed his fairy godmother feel of scriptwriting)
like the one in scene with the damaged hosts in the repair bay where the engineer shouts "oy, over there" or something similar to the driver?

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Old 25-12-2007, 23:55   #122
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Well done! I retract everything!

Can I blame the 4 year old standing in front of the screen doing her best look at me, look at me, for part of it? Have yet to rewatch it properly without interruptions, perhaps I should of before passing judgement.
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definitely - i blame my daughter for most things!

I watched it on sky + just now for the first time - you were unlucky...

nice to see chekov being invoked in a dr who thread though
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Old 26-12-2007, 00:20   #124
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A simple season early on with a forklift would have set it up and removed his fairy godmother feel of scriptwriting
People are complaining enough about Catherine Tate as a companion. Do you really think they'd accept a forklift as the Dr's Fellow Traveller?

And how early on exactly? Use CGI to put the forklift in a kilt and have it fighting yetis? Or were you thinking more like having it swallowed by burping wheelie bins and replaced with a plastic replica?
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Old 26-12-2007, 00:22   #125
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I thought it was utter crap
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Old 26-12-2007, 00:46   #126
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nice to see chekov being invoked in a dr who thread though
We're looking for nuclear wessles.
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Old 26-12-2007, 01:01   #127
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First I knew we were in trouble was the reason london was totally evacuated, only two years of xmas specials and only the queen left? How cheap and tacky and unrealistic is that reasoning. Typical RTD
It was only evacuated for one day. It isn't like London is evacuated all year round. I wouldn't want to be London if two years running Aliens had ruined Xmas Day/killed a lot of people.

I enjoyed it and was better than the other Christmas shows (Catherine Tate and Harry Hill). I was even better than having to endure two episodes of Eastenders.
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I hadn't seen Doctor Who since the much hyped return episode with Christopher Eccleston and Billie being chased by plastic dummies and some bloke being chased by a really badly CGI'd wheelie bins. Still, I sat through this and thought it was yet more absolute rubbish. Are the plots and dialogue always this laughable? I didn't even understand the captains reason for taking the shields offline...something about being promised old veterans as crew, plus he only had 6 months to live and wanted money for his family? Well if you are dying might as well help take 6 billion people with you! Didn't really understand how a titanic the size of Buckingham palace could have done too much damage to the earth either.

I used to like the Sylvester McCoy ones as a kid, but I bet they are naff.

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Old 26-12-2007, 01:12   #129
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Too much of everything.

Too many plot lines, too many characters, too much lighting.

A bit of a mess, to be honest. But reasonably enjoyable. Better than the turd that was last years, but nowhere near as good as it has been (or as good as it should have been).

I actually think the direction should share some of the burden, as it was clumsy at best - someone needs to tell RTD that less can often be more.
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someone needs to tell RTD that less can often be more.
We're talking about a man who said at the press screening that Hitler would have made a good Doctor Who.
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disappointing shame cos it was the only show i was planning to watch today.

kylie was definitely looking her age. i guess the chemo has taken a big toll on her.

it was just a big mess... but did have some redeeming features for me:

i did like the obese married couple, and it made sense the Doc would go and sit down with them at the dinner party as they were the most down-to-earth peeps there.

i also liked that all the people you'd expect to be alive at the end weren't. pretty much everyone died (including the captain, kylie and the fatties), and the selfish, straight, rich, white guy survived and actually made a huge profit out of the disaster - which was brave as it's the exact opposite of what you'd expect, and probably annoyed casual viewers.

oh and the Doctor wearing trainers with his Tux made me grin too
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Old 26-12-2007, 07:58   #132
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All right/bearable/quite good up to the last 15 minutes then it just got ever more stupid, pathetic and pantomime to the point where it was almost as bad as it was last year.

You know, I don't think Davies is writing this dirge because he think it's good. I think he's writing it because he has this idea in his head of what the audience is and what they supposedly want and he writes for them instead.

But of course it's Doctor Who and it had Kylie in it so it'll get great viewing figures and he'll just happily continue on pumping out this rubbish. Hard to believe that the same bloke who's written some genuinely good stories is capable of stooping so low with the majority of what can now only be described as "output".
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It was only evacuated for one day. It isn't like London is evacuated all year round. I wouldn't want to be London if two years running Aliens had ruined Xmas Day/killed a lot of people.
Evacuating London for a day would probably take a month.

Plus I was sure that the aliens in the first "special" took control of people all over the world, not just London.

Its typical overblown ********.

The main problem is that RTD plots out his big scenes and then doesnt' care about the journey between them. Whereas most people enjoy the journey as much as the destination.
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Thought it was boring myself.

And I agree with the poster who said Kylie is showing her age and the Captain's reasoning for taking the shields off was just baffling.

The badies were also pretty crap. Angels with Bafta faces? Crap.
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Old 26-12-2007, 09:55   #135
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Darkavenger can't make it, but he's emailed me his review.

"It's true that it didn't seem very good at first, but I've watched it 11 times now and now it's really good!"
I shouldn't laugh but
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Old 26-12-2007, 10:15   #136
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Better than last year's piece of crap - but come on! It wasn't really very good at all was it?

After watching all the episodes of the new who up until now, this is where me and the show part company as I refuse to watch anything with that awful Tate person in it.

I did kind of hope that I would be able to part from the show on a high but it simply wasn't to be Should have finished watching after the angels episode last year.
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Old 26-12-2007, 10:18   #137
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A horrible mix of good stuff and bad stuff....I suppose the best thing you can say is that it was better than 'To The Manor Born'...I really hope that new theme tune isn't permanent.

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I sort of liked the new theme. Not a lot, but it drowned out the part of the theme that I hate.
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Old 26-12-2007, 10:26   #139
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I'll never understand these doctor who threads as long as i live. I enjoyed every minute.

After every single episode of who that airs, we get the same faces saying how much they hated it. Don't you get bored of watching something you clearly don't like?
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I'll never understand these doctor who threads as long as i live. I enjoyed every minute.

After every single episode of who that airs, we get the same faces saying how much they hated it. Don't you get bored of watching something you clearly don't like?
Not true. I've enjoyed the majority of "New Who", even some RTD episodes which many deemed cack (Gridlock springs to mind), but even in a semi-diabetic coma with extra alcohol, I didn't find this Christmas special anything more than average.
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