old DOCTOR WHO specials & series5 *SPOILERS* PLEASE CLOSE 1000 post reached

[thescrounger]

Originally Posted by dunkrag

....I was going to reply to this with something, but have just been sat here for 10 mins speechless that someone actually believes this.

Were you joking?

No he wasn't. Blink, Human Nature, Family of Blood. Case closed.

[Tony Keats]

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Don't forget Girl in the Fireplace...

[Guest 24882]

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The Empty Child 2 parter

[Guest 49504]

Originally Posted by Jonnof

Ah, I see. It's not willfully inconsistent and slapdash - it's imaginative.

Sorry, but that whole sequence was a perfect illustration of the RTD style - set up a mind-boggling situation which contravenes accepted Who lore (as in, the inside and outside are located in two separate dimensions), and a press of a magic button makes it all go away. Even a one-line excuse would have been nice.

Didn't he mention something about the TARDIS's shields being down because he was rebuilding it after (assuming) it was cannabilised by The Master?

Anyway, the shields being down was the reason the Titanic 'bumped' through the dimensions.

It wasn't the only thing that contravened conventional Who logic - the thing about the TARDIS locking on to large gravity sources - never heard of that one before.

[AndyWilson]

Originally Posted by Jedibitch

Ok.

Story was rubbish, no build up, no plot bar a mad man with a grudge which you could see coming from jupiter.

I thought the story was quite imaginative - the shift from a disaster movie to a pantomime baddie was handled well and meant the episode filled its extended slot without being overstretched.

Woeful aliens, I include the little red fella.

What was wrong with the aliens? As usual they were nearly all humanoid, but aren't they in nearly all SF? Anyway, life tends to adapt to fit an environment, and similar environments produce similar looking lifeforms - take a shark and a dolphin for example. I liked the way the red guy's android paranioa setup the baddie's grudge too...

Complete leaps of faith at every point a plot hole appears, either sonic screwdriver, throwaway line, teleport, forklift. no creativity at all.

Again, no different to any drama that uses any kind of deus ex machina - a perfectly acceptable plot device.

Visuals were ok but just over the top when the money was needed on STORY.

Music sounds like a chimp let loose in an orchestra.

The ep had plenty of story, maybe a bit too much plot though.
And I can't say I noticed the music at all.

No need for Kylie except to hype an already over hyped show, she brought nothing to it.

She bought publicity and extra viewers too it. Wasn't that the point? If you can't have stunt casting in an xmas pantomime, when can you?

And finally if you are going to rip bits off other films/shows it has to done very well to work.

Does it? A pleasant homage has its place surely?

And can someone explain why the Captain was in on it and dropped the shields? I may have missed this plot point as i was speechless at the dross plopping out of my TV like a new born baby cow from its mother.

He was dying anyway, and was offered lots of money for his family.

And did anyone else get the impression they changed there mind in this Christmas special? Why would a space ship have life savers on the outside of its Hull? Everything else on the outside was modernish?

I think they were going to do a 'real' titanic episode.

RTD = TV I don't want to watch. It's that simple to me.

But you continue to watch it?

[new]

Alright, apart from Blink, Human Nature, Family of Blood, Girl in the Fireplace, Empty Child, Doctor Dances, what great TV has Doctor Who ever given us

Well I could add a few more to the list anyway.

As Xmas specials I just think it lacked something, and that was a big scene stealing moment.
The Christmas Invasion had the 10th Doctor waking up, then having a sword fight for the Earth.

The Runaway Bride had the TARDIS chase.

This did not really have one stand out moment.

Would have been fine as an OK normal episode, but as an Xmas special it just lacked anything special, and was just OK.

[Guest 912]

but as an Xmas special it just lacked anything special

Christmas Specials are always dross, doesn't matter what show.

Basically they know everyone will be too REMOVED on booze, and too stuffed with turkey, so they just plonk any old crap on. Its nothing new.

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[Guest 24882]

Originally Posted by new

Alright, apart from Blink, Human Nature, Family of Blood, Girl in the Fireplace, Empty Child, Doctor Dances, what great TV has Doctor Who ever given us

Well I could add a few more to the list anyway.

As Xmas specials I just think it lacked something, and that was a big scene stealing moment.
The Christmas Invasion had the 10th Doctor waking up, then having a sword fight for the Earth.

The Runaway Bride had the TARDIS chase.

This did not really have one stand out moment.

Would have been fine as an OK normal episode, but as an Xmas special it just lacked anything special, and was just OK.

No no no, this one had the Queen waving her thanks to the Doctor.

Urm....

[SqueakyG]

Why is it impossible to discuss Doctor Who without getting angry and insulting each other??


I mean really, what is it about this show? What makes it do this?? It's like people who hate the show feel the need to keep watching it anyway, because they need to monitor the state of it, then criticise every episode. You don't do this for anything else -- if a TV show consistently disappoints, you stop watching. But for some reason, Doctor Who is like our great last hope for British sci-fi, so you have to keep monitoring it, like some kind of guardian, keeping tabs of what the idiotic mass of society are enjoying, but criticising their enjoyment of it.


How about this: if you don't like, say, five episodes of Doctor Who in a row, you choose to stop watching a show that consistently disappoints you, and choose to stop posting in Doctor Who threads? Then when you hear that a good episode aired, you make sure to catch it on a BBC Three repeat.

This system works retroactively. If you disliked the last five episodes in a row (including the Christmas special), maybe it's time to stop?

[cliff homewood]

Even the Queen was annoying, she was far too young, moving far too fast for the contemporary Queen.

[splobber]

Originally Posted by SqueakyG

Why is it impossible to discuss Doctor Who without getting angry and insulting each other??

Wait until it is released exclusively on HD-DVD then.

[cliff homewood]

If the discussion annoys you that much perhaps you shouldn't be reading the thread?

If we're all gong to agree and just say nice things on here about the programme whats the point of having a thread where everyone just agrees with each other, not exactly going to be scintillating reading is it? 20 replies of 'yup' to every comment made.

I like coming on here after an episode airs to see whether other pople agree with my assessment of the episode or not. This one we seem to, dissappointing fodder but nowhere near as embarrassing as last years special. SOmetimes I come on here and am surprised to find I am 'wrong' according to other peoples tastes, what I thought was a superb Sapphire and Steel style episode in Fear her for instance which for me was only slightly marred by a mawkish ending, but everybody else it sounds like it ruined it. And thats the problem with going with other peoples opinions, you have to see it for yourself to see if you like it. Sometimes you'll swing with the crowd and sometimes against them. Unless you don't hold each episode up to the high standards the series is capable of delivering and are happy with any old tripe they decide to put on.

[hookbeak]

Originally Posted by SqueakyG

How about this: if you don't like, say, five episodes of Doctor Who in a row, you choose to stop watching a show that consistently disappoints you, and choose to stop posting in Doctor Who threads? Then when you hear that a good episode aired, you make sure to catch it on a BBC Three repeat.

This system works retroactively. If you disliked the last five episodes in a row (including the Christmas special), maybe it's time to stop?

Don't go talking sense you fool !

I call it "prequel syndrome", it works like this :

1. After watching something and not liking it, watch more - all the time complaining loudly how much you hate it (if it's no longer on, buy it on DVD so you can add on the fact how much money is being squeezed out of you for something you hate)

2. Repeat.

[splobber]

The crucial point that is being made is that if your opinion is 'wrong' then you will either defend it to the death running the risk of the thread closure or others will argue until they are blue in the face trying to convert you to their way of thinking.

TBH, Doctor Who causes significantly more problems then any other thread in the TV Forum so from that I would say it is rabid fanboyism that is the main issue.

[dunkrag]

Originally Posted by thescrounger

No he wasn't. Blink, Human Nature, Family of Blood. Case closed.

Seriously? '..the best thing we have on UK TV?'

The Street
Longford
Housewife 49
Mountains with Griff Rhys Jones
Planet Earth
Prime Suspect
Low Winter Sun
Breaking Up With The Jones'
The Apprentice
Shameless

All of the above can't touch Dr Who? Acting, Camerawork, Scriptwriting, Directing, Impact. They all have nothing on Dr Who?

I'm stunned anyone really believes that and can say it with a straight face.

VOTD was stunningly bad. Stunt casting and no more, silly story, plot holes galore, zero re-watchability.

[fivebyfive]

Originally Posted by SqueakyG

It's like people who hate the show feel the need to keep watching it anyway, because they need to monitor the state of it, then criticise every episode.

sorry thats not true at all, maybe didn't read the posts a page or 2 back, as you will see people do like some episodes BUT NOT ALL

OR you ignored them as it didn't fit your argument.


The reason these threads go downhill is because its same old people telling people to stop posting or shut up etc .

edit: To all: calm down, its just a tv show, if you are getting so worked up over opinions of a tv show, there is more important things in life

[thescrounger]

Originally Posted by dunkrag

Seriously? '..the best thing we have on UK TV?'

The Street
Longford
Housewife 49
Mountains with Griff Rhys Jones
Planet Earth
Prime Suspect
Low Winter Sun
Breaking Up With The Jones'
The Apprentice
Shameless

All of the above can't touch Dr Who? Acting, Camerawork, Scriptwriting, Directing, Impact. They all have nothing on Dr Who?

I'm stunned anyone really believes that and can say it with a straight face.

With the exception of Planet Earth on your list there, I don't really watch much British Tv as it's mostly mediocre US wannabe crap. The only thing we still excel at are costume and period dramas, which are usually few and few between these days and the recent ones have been a bit flat anyway. Give me Deadwood over Cranford anyday.

Checking up I see Planet Earth was a co-production with Discovery Channel, Japan Broadcasting Corporation and the CBC. So I suppose it doesn't really count as home grown product.

[splobber]

Originally Posted by fivebyfive

The reason these threads go downhill is because its same old people telling people to stop posting or shut up etc .

Erm...

Originally Posted by fivebyfive

To all: Get a life!, its just a tv show, if you are getting so worked up over opinions of a tv show, maybe you should take a long hard look at your life

[fivebyfive]

Originally Posted by splobber

Erm...

but I'm not telling anyone to shut up or stop posting, I'm just saying there is more important things in life then getting worked up because someone didn't like this episode

[splobber]

I don't disagree, but that's hardly going to calm things down is it?