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Old 22-02-2021, 20:19   #4081
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Whilst the injuries have scuppered your season, surely the pace Klopp has had them playing at for 3 seasons, relentlessly chasing the Champions League (and losing it), then the Champions League and Premier League (winning one) and then finally landing the Premier League has taken its toll?

It’s all very easy to say they are pros and should not need motivating but football history shows us time and again that more often than not, this happens. Human nature means the players are not as hungry - you could see that last season after they’d got enough points to take the league.
Gary Neville made a similar point this morning. And I would agree that injuries and the past 3 years has taken their toll as well, but the pace required is lessened when the team is playing high enough up the pitch which they can't currently do. As I said, without those 4/5 key players fully fit and in their correct positions we were never catching City, this season, anyway.

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Old 22-02-2021, 21:08   #4082
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So more of a recruitment problem then and not having a big enough squad to cover certain positions?

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Old 23-02-2021, 00:09   #4083
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So more of a recruitment problem then and not having a big enough squad to cover certain positions?

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LOL how much money do you think Liverpool have ?

How is Klopp ( or even any manager except bankrolled Pep at City ) supposed to anticipate losing all three first choice CBs for the rest of the season and be able to convince an equal quality replacement to join, in January, on the basis that they won't be in the team come August ?

Not everyone has City's luxury of being able to sustain at least two Ł30/40M players for every single position on the pitch.
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Old 23-02-2021, 10:41   #4084
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I'm not really suggesting having 11 30-40m replacement players sitting on the bench in case of injuries (although that's fairly common to some extent amongst the 'big' teams now I'd have thought). It's more about having a big squad with a number of utility players who can play a few positions if injuries occur. Or perhaps buying or loaning cheaper specialised players who are happy to be squad players but who can fill in when needed in their proper positions. Or maybe blooding younger players so you don't have to upset the balance and shuffle your whole team about if a particular position becomes a problem.

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Old 23-02-2021, 10:54   #4085
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I don't think many teams - other than City - have the ability to field a second XI that is as strong as its first XI.

It is an argument that I think Wenger used the other day; when he lost Gomez and VvD he should have gone with Phillips/Williams instead of Fabinho, and when he lost Matip he should have done the same rather than Henderson.

The counter argument would be that he presumably trusts both of them more ( and it is not as if Fabinho, at least, is a bad defender because he really isn't ) and feels using backup CM options is more beneficial.
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Old 23-02-2021, 20:23   #4086
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There are a lot of things going wrong at the moment.

The biggest worry for me is that teams now know how to play against Liverpool and we don't seem to know what to do about it; there is no plan B.

There's no question that we've controlled and dominated most games, including those we've lost and drawn, but that's because teams are happy for us to pass the ball around and try to pass the ball through; as long as they stay solid and organised and work hard we struggle to get through and for all the domination we don't create that many great opportunities, and we're always susceptable to the counter, especially given our defensive problems at the moment. As long as they have one or two pacey runners who can be ready for the counter they know they'll get two or three chances.

It worries me that Jurgen always sees plenty of positives to take from the games, but can't see that all that possession is meaningless if being given it is part of the opposision's game plan.

On top of that, where we used be deadly at countering a counter attack, but now we just hold the ball up, pass it around the back and generally fanny around giving the opposition plenty of time to get back and regroup ready to defend the next attempt to pass through the middle. We've had a few occasions, the recent West Ham game we countered their counters really quickly and looked really good, but most of the time it's the slow passing around, starting from the keeper to the defenders.

I have to say I never get the keeper giving it to a near defender and trying to pass all the way up. It invites so much pressure and a lot of mistakes have happened from that. I know we're not the only ones, City do it better than most, Arsenal have done it against us and always looked ready to make a mistake. I just don't know why you don't get the ball up to the midfield quicker and reduce the risk of a sloppy gift.

Allison's distribution has been poor as well. He used to be excellent, get it out really quickly, often start an attack, but most of the time now he's the start of the slow passing around the back (and very culpable for too many **** ups recently).

The wingers have been relly poor with their crossing as well, although, again, when you've let 9 men get back into position everytime before you get down there it's always much easier for a defender to head out a cross than an attacker to get on it.

I also wonder if winning it last season, not having had the proper celebrations but then having a season with no fans has left them less motivated. Empty stadiums certainly leaves teams who are up for a game nowhere to hide against a team that are up for it
when you're just turning up for another routine kickaround (ie Villa V Liverpool earlier in the season).

It's been a weird old season. I kind of get lacking the enthusiasm; the stadiums sound like cemeteries and have zero atmosphereand I struggle to get too excited about watching much at the moment. Having said that, Pep has still managed to get his players motivated and determined to fight in every game, so that's no excuse.

And it's looking like, after the end of last season with no fans and no winner's celebrations and then what will be nearly a full season with no fans, there will be fans allowed back in just in time for City to win it and they will get to enjoy it like Liverpool didn't get last season. That is really frustrating.

I think we'll struggle to get top four. Certainly on form we'll not be in Europe at all next season. I can see a few players coming and going in the summer, feels stale and like it needs freshening up.

Kind of wish the season was over already. At least there's a glimmer of hope in the Champions League, although given how hot and cold we've been since we took the title last year I can't see us getting passed any of the big guns.
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Old 23-02-2021, 21:43   #4087
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No chance of CL with any combination of CB's we can put out sadly. Imagine Lewoeski against Phillips we've won 11 of 25 league games, we probably need to win 10 out of the last 13 to get top 4, don't think so. I think there's some behind the scenes problems at the club personally, injuries have hammered us but the way literally fell off a cliff is staggering. Been going through the game since I was a 7 year old in 1971, never thought I'd see us lose 4 home league games on the spin. And the lack of fight in the Derby was disgraceful.

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Old 23-02-2021, 22:31   #4088
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Same with any big team, you can try and give them a game and lose 5-0. Or you can spend all week learning to park the bus, and maybe lose 1-0. When you've got no defence, those small losses become small wins.
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Old 24-02-2021, 18:04   #4089
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If Henderson is really out for 12 weeks then we are truly screwed for this year. For me - when Fabinho is back, which looks like the weekend possibly, then he goes back into midfield and we stop messing about with playing people out of position.

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Statistically speaking, the team in each league with the most final third pressures, final third touches and final third take ons always win the most fouls. This is the case in Germany, Italy, France, Spain and all of the top 10 European Leagues. There's one exception for both team and league - care to guess?

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Old 24-02-2021, 19:27   #4090
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who are you quoting, and is English not their first language?
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who are you quoting, and is English not their first language?
Their English seems pretty good to me
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