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Old 12-10-2005, 12:09   #21
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Time for me to come out of the Peckinpah closet...

I've never seen Cross Of Iron. Is there a decent release around?
This will do until we get a super-duper SE (there's no decent R1 release); decent picture, not perfect but it'll do right now.

BTW, I compiled a 'Peckinpah on DVD' list here which I still try and keep up to date. Could be useful

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Old 12-10-2005, 12:34   #22
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If you scoff at "Cross of Iron" then you're not a Peckinpah purist. Come to think of it, I don't think you can be a Peckinpah fan and not like "Cross of Iron". And the ending is wonderful.
I remember reading something (and I think the TCM doc hints at this) that Peckinpah's last few films (CoI included) are/were considered by some to be self-imitating, self-derivative works - I'm not overly keen on Osterman and Convoy but CoI is his last magnificent hurrah.
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I like all of his films (fanboy that I am). I even like "Convoy". So I'm probably not the best judge of these things.
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So there is someone else out there that likes Convoy. I was beginning to think I was the only one. Shame that the current R2 is cut but i don't suppose its high on anyones list (apart from mine) for an upgrade
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Old 12-10-2005, 16:23   #26
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So there is someone else out there that likes Convoy. I was beginning to think I was the only one. Shame that the current R2 is cut but i don't suppose its high on anyones list (apart from mine) for an upgrade
As per the list in my post above, Kinowelt's R2 is uncut

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I like Ernest Borgnine in Convoy And the theme, of course. Shame Ali McGraw's in it.
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So there is someone else out there that likes Convoy.
You can count me in too, very underrated film
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When I said the ending was a 'bodge', I maybe chose the wrong words. I did not mean it as a denigration, just that I am aware of the circumstances in which the film was completed. As I said, I love it.

Weddle, if I recall, was in some aspects quite scathing towards COI - particularly the part when Coburn speaks to the Russian boy before releasing him. It is a little obtuse and odd in its wording, I admit, but it has never bothered me.

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Incidentally, I would strongly recommend reading Cross of Iron if you haven't already done so. Peckinpah's movie did capture much of the Steiner spirit, but there's a good deal more to the story.
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Does anyone else find the typeset on the Ride the High Country box a bit incongruous?
No more so than people did in 1962.
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Weddle, if I recall, was in some aspects quite scathing towards COI - particularly the part when Coburn speaks to the Russian boy before releasing him. It is a little obtuse and odd in its wording, I admit, but it has never bothered me.
Agreed. Many critics (Weddle included) lump COI together with Peckinpah's later movies i.e; a confused mess with moments of interest - usually put down to the directors consumption of cocaine and alcohol during the period. Whatever problems there are with this particular film, I think they are entirely down to budgetary restrictions and not because of Peckinpah's percieved lack of focus. The battle scenes alone make COI great cinema, anyone who thinks otherwise should be sent to the eastern front......
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The biggest problem with Weddle's book - which I generally adore and which has been a huge influence on my own writing - is that it rather shortchanges the last ten years of Peckinpah's life and doesn't go into enough detail on films such as "Alfredo Garcia" and "Cross of Iron".

I think the last scene of COI is one of the most eloquent and apt comments on war, per se, of any film I can think of.
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Sam Peckinpah; It's Not What It Used to Be - But It'll Do, an in-depth look at the last decade; I can hear Weddle scribbling from here...

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The biggest problem with Weddle's book - which I generally adore and which has been a huge influence on my own writing - is that it rather shortchanges the last ten years of Peckinpah's life and doesn't go into enough detail on films such as "Alfredo Garcia" and "Cross of Iron".
I recently re-read "If They Move..." for the first time in several years and noticed this very thing, he spends half of the book just getting to RTHC, lingers long on TWB and then rushes just about everything else. I also find the later parts dealing with Peckinpah's personal life over-dramatised and very judgemental, with the writer almost treating his subject like a fictional character of his own invention - one he proceeds to punish in a very Catholic way for his past actions. I also find Weddle's view of Peckinpah's films uneven, IMO he blindly over-praises TWB and nit-picks over Straw Dogs, Pat Garret & Alfredo Garcia which for me are works of far greater subtlety and depth.
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IMO he blindly over-praises TWB and nit-picks over Straw Dogs, Pat Garret & Alfredo Garcia which for me are works of far greater subtlety and depth.
Hmmm... don't like the sound of some of this book! As you say Straw Dogs, Pat Garrett and Alfredo Garcia are excellent films [which should not be nitpicked over! ], and are my personal favourite Sam Peckinpah films. I'll still doubtless end up getting the book though.
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Hmmm... don't like the sound of some of this book! As you say Straw Dogs, Pat Garrett and Alfredo Garcia are excellent films [which should not be nitpicked over! ], and are my personal favourite Sam Peckinpah films. I'll still doubtless end up getting the book though.
I'm not trying to put you off; for the most part the book is well researched and written, it's just Weddle's attitude towards certain films that annoys me (any film that isn't The Wild Bunch, infact). Reading the book when first published and not having seen all of Peckipah's work at the time, I avoided seeing Alfredo Garcia for several years based on his summation. When I did finally see it, I couldn't believe that this razor sharp, brilliantly dark masterpiece was the same film that Weddle had described as stale and lacking in energy. If you do want to read a Peckinpah book (and haven't already read it) I'd recomend the Garner Simmons biography over this one.

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marvelous news, have only seen Wild Bunch of these.

I guess more savings and less buying other dvds
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