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Old 17-11-2007, 10:43   #1
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Doctor Who Children in Need

I don't want to start a new S4 thread as new deserves title-changing honours, but that said, surely this little scene is worth a swift thread?

Less than seven minutes of new stuff, but what a corking little episode, and an affectionate lookback at the fifth Doctor, and this gem re the Master:

'Does he still have that rubbish beard?'

'No... no beard this time. Well, a wife.'

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Old 17-11-2007, 11:15   #2
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I have to admit I am surprised that a thread wasn't started sooner! Really enjoyed this - Peter Davidson has always been my favourite but I've never been quite able to explain why - I thought the Doctor or should I say David Tennant put it perfectly. Thanks to Mr Moffat again!

ha ha ha - seeing the beard comment in text - I get it now! Very funny.
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I thought it was lovely - and early, which meant i could turn the crap off quickly.

"you're not - a fan???"
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quite amusing - thought it took a couple of minutes for Peter to get back into the role, (seemed a bit "off" in the What? What? exchange). I didn't like the rubbish beard comment, out of character, he wouldn't have talked like that

He was always my favourite Doctor.
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Old 17-11-2007, 13:47   #5
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Sme great bits but overall i thought it rubbish, because of the surface value anachronisms. New desktop theme? They haven't even got a desktop, doesn't make much sense that way and will age badly. If Tennant had said it fine, but it was from Davisons Doctor and thus felt anachronistic to me as it was from his time (I know his a time traveller, but he wouldn't be overly familiar with current day accvording to his adventures).


SImilar feelings for timey wimey, thats a saying of the current doctors and feels like him, doesn't really feel like Davisons, he was more serious and would have gone into a proper explanation for his companions, other than such a juvenile phrase.

And the grandfather paradox, any SF writer who knows his salts knows to try and avoid them not revel in their stupidity.

But yes I enjoyed the humourous banter about the celery etc, but not so sure about 'your my doctor' yet again another bit of dubious dialogue.
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but not so sure about 'your my doctor' yet again another bit of dubious dialogue.

That made no sense at all, and was clearly Steven Moffatt talking, not the current incarnation...
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but not so sure about 'your my doctor' yet again another bit of dubious dialogue.

That made no sense at all, and was clearly Steven Moffatt talking, not the current incarnation...
I thought that was David Tennant, the person, saying that
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While it may well have been Tennant/Moffat's feelings about Davison's character, the Doctor himself had just explained why that part of his life was important to him and the mannerisms he'd adopted from him, so I don't see how this comment was that much out of place.
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I loved it, a perfect fun tribute to the series new and old.

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but not so sure about 'your my doctor' yet again another bit of dubious dialogue.

That made no sense at all, and was clearly Steven Moffatt talking, not the current incarnation...
It did break down the forth wall a little, but it still makes sense. The tenth Doctor was just noticing the similarities between his old self. Perhaps he felt he was most like the fifth Doctor.
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yup it still makes sense in that the current doctor has a favourite out of his previous generations, but the wording 'your my doctor' still feels a bit dubious to me, it feels too like someone from our perspective (eg the writer or actor saying it) than like something you'd say to yourself if you met yourself, it'd be more like 'I like the fact i was once you the most' or something, not a 'your my doctor' which sound slike an outsiders judgement, sitting watching them all and picknig one as a favourite. 'your my doctor' to me, carries emoitonal baggage, in the fact that it normally ties into which one people grew up with, so it might be my own prejudices getting in the way, but the whole thing as i said felt too surface value and not well written at all. The previous chidren in need by RTD was superb, not often that you hear that here, RTD doing a better job than Stephen Moffat!
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Moffat did do a better job than RTD and tearing down the forth wall was intentional, so it wasn't bad writing.
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IIRC Tennent is on record as saying that Davison was "his doctor" growing up watching the show (can't beat mine though - Tom Baker ), and no doubt the sentence in some way reflected that..

just hope that RTD writing style is not rubbing off on Moffat (referring to the beard line)

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SO intentionally bad writing isn't bad writing? It's excusable because its children in need. The grandfather paradox is the one that annoys me the most though. I thought Bill and Ted put paid to that one with the if i want a gun I'll go back later and put a gun in that box there ready for me now so if i open this box i now have a gun style reasoning. It shows up the ludicrousness of things like 'I remembered this from you watching me do it'.
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Davison was my Doctor too, so I thought it was great (and I was ever so slightly emotional about all that "my Doctor" stuff!)
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SO intentionally bad writing isn't bad writing? It's excusable because its children in need.
Tearing down the forth wall is a convention that has been used in TV, Film theatre and Book. It's a technique. Also it's been done before during the first Doctor with William Hartnell.

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It shows up the ludicrousness of things like 'I remembered this from you watching me do it'.
I can forgive something like that because it's the Doctor talking to himself (this sort of thing has happened before throughout the series history, thats the point innit?) and remember the two TARDISi (two time zones) were merged at the same time.

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Peter Davidson has always been my favourite but I've never been quite able to explain why
Surely if he has always been your favourite you should be able to spell his name correctly

Seriously though I thought it was a nice little sketch with some knowing winks to the audience and it all sat very nicely between Martha's leaving and the moment when the Titanic crashes into the TARDIS (at least it explains how it was possible).
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Davison was my Doctor too, so I thought it was great (and I was ever so slightly emotional about all that "my Doctor" stuff!)
exactly how I felt. He was my Doctor too.

Id love to see another 5 doctors type of episode in the new series
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Surely if he has always been your favourite you should be able to spell his name correctly
Come on. If Doctor Who Magazine can't get it right, what chance do the rest of us have?
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Tearing down the forth wall is a convention that has been used in TV, Film theatre and Book. It's a technique. Also it's been done before during the first Doctor with William Hartnell.
Could that moment possibly be the worst Who scene ever?
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