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Old 15-02-2009, 11:26   #821
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Heh -- Joel beat me to it!

I've never seen the original play, but I believe Hitchcock stuck close to the text when filming "Dial M", so I'm guessing the evidence issue is in there too?

Hitchcock was never that bothered about plot holes (which infuriated some of the writers he worked with) and, in interviews, he often made semi-sarcastic remarks about "the plausibles" -- i.e. people who insisted on looking for flaws in the storyline. He also stated he enjoyed the idea that some people might lay awake at night going "hold on -- that bit of the story didn't make sense!".

I guess "Vertigo" is a good example -- the storyline is full of unbelievable coincidences and implausible events, but it's arguably his masterpiece.
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The film of "Dial M" is very, very faithful to the play - which I directed a couple of years ago - and the evidence issue is indeed in there as well. However, it's fair to say that in the early 1950s, police could get away with a lot more dodgy evidence than they can in 2009.
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I've never seen the original play, but I believe Hitchcock stuck close to the text when filming "Dial M", so I'm guessing the evidence issue is in there too?

Hitchcock was never that bothered about plot holes (which infuriated some of the writers he worked with) and, in interviews, he often made semi-sarcastic remarks about "the plausibles" -- i.e. people who insisted on looking for flaws in the storyline.
You have got me completely wrong. Rather than consider the slightly ambiguous ending of Dial M For Murder as a plot hole, I think that was very clever of Hitchcock to end the movie in the way shown because it gives food for thought. I have not seen the play and so cannot comment if it was likewise on the stage. I expect there have been real-life situations where conscientious police officers have bent the rules to produce evidence that let off a person whom they belived correctly to be innocent. All I wanted to speculate was whether the same kind of rule-bent evidence can be used to convict another person...as in the case with the film.

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Apologies -- I did misinterpret it! :-)
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A quick heads-up about the Paul Merton documentary on Hitchcock -- it's going to be broadcast on BBC4 on 28th February and repeated on 1st March.
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Old 18-02-2009, 22:06   #826
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Frenzy and Rear Window in HD on Sky next week
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Old 19-02-2009, 06:45   #827
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A quick heads-up about the Paul Merton documentary on Hitchcock -- it's going to be broadcast on BBC4 on 28th February and repeated on 1st March.
Many thanks. I'll record this programme.
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A quick heads-up about the Paul Merton documentary on Hitchcock -- it's going to be broadcast on BBC4 on 28th February and repeated on 1st March.
Just another heads up for this as its on this Saturday:
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Paul Merton Looks at Alfred Hitchcock
Showing Saturday February 28th on BBC 4 at 9:00pm

Paul Merton continues his love affair with silent cinema in an exploration of Alfred Hitchcock's British Films - 10 of which were silent.

Paul, who presents and directs the film, sees the "Master of Suspense" as a man immersed in the visual language of cinema, who understood how to use camera movement and lighting for dramatic effect. For Hitchcock, heavily influenced by the German Expressionist cinema, the pictures would always be more important than the dialogue.

Combining innovative visual vignettes, stunning clips and archive, Paul weaves together a fascinating narrative of the early career and macabre world of Alfred Hitchcock, revealing a man with a great sense of humour.
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BBC4 are also showing the excellent 2 part 1999 "Reputations" documentary. Unfortunately the Radio Times doesn't make it obvious that it's a 2 parter (it looks more like it's a single programme that's being repeated the following night). Also, it looks like they've snipped out about 15 minutes of the original 2 hour programme. (more info here)

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BBC4 are also showing the excellent 2 part 1999 "Reputations" documentary. Unfortunately the Radio Times doesn't make it obvious that it's a 2 parter (it looks more like it's a single programme that's being repeated the following night). Also, it looks like they've snipped out about 15 minutes of the original 2 hour programme. (more info here)
Its possible that some of the material is now out of date ,proved incorrect or irrelevant as its 10 years old

Alternatively - they might have had to remove clips from films they no longer are allowed to include.

This is the reason why things like I Love the 70's only have limited broadcast lives before they need to pay / seek permission again

A similar thing happened to Networks Dudley Moore dvd where 2 shows made by LWT were included but ALL film clips were edited out

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I think you're right, I suspect it's due to no longer having permission rights to include certain bits of the material (e.g. film clips). The full documentary is (IMHO) easily the best that's been produced about Hitchcock and it pulls together an enourmous number of people who worked with him. I've still got the 1999 broadcast on video, so I might do a bit of checking next week.
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The Reputations documentary was available to show in two versions

"Made to celebrate the centenary of Hitchcock's birth, the British documentary covers Hitchcock's entire career. Surviving collaborators and colleagues are interviewed. The documentary also includes footage from Kaleidoscope Frenzy.

The Original length is approx 120 minutes an edited 90 minute version of the documentary was broadcast in 2006. "
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The Reputations documentary was available to show in two versions

"Made to celebrate the centenary of Hitchcock's birth, the British documentary covers Hitchcock's entire career. Surviving collaborators and colleagues are interviewed. The documentary also includes footage from Kaleidoscope Frenzy.

The Original length is approx 120 minutes an edited 90 minute version of the documentary was broadcast in 2006. "
The version showing on BBC4 appears to be somewhere in between the two then, but closer to the original running time.
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The version showing on BBC4 appears to be somewhere in between the two then, but closer to the original running time.
What day and time is the showing ?
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Part 1 - "Hitch: Alfred the Great" - BBC4 02/Mar/2009 00:25 (50 min)
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Two-part profile of Alfred Hitchcock. This edition traces his life from the streets of suburbia to the boulevards of Hollywood, exploring the childhood influences that turned an overweight loner into the master of suspense and revealing how he came to marry Alma Reville, a tough film professional who was her husband's severest critic and fiercest champion.
Part 2 - "Hitch: Alfred the Auteur" - BBC4 03/Mar/2009 00:45 (55 min)
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Two-part profile of Alfred Hitchcock. This second edition examines his output of the 50s and 60s. Groundbreaking thriller Psycho made him wealthy, while films such as Vertigo and Rear Window were hailed by Francois Truffaut as works of genius. But Hitchcock's obsession with control and his pursuit of the perfect blonde actress took on a new and damaging intensity.
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BBC4 on that link state Part 2 - "Hitch: Alfred the Auteur" is 60mins so both parts come to 110mins in total.
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On my Freeview Guide Plus system, Part One is 50 minutes and Part Two is 55 minutes. The big problem, though, is that, when I enter either part for timer recording on the hard drive, the programme that is automatically set to record is neither part but the film The Lady Vanishes!

By the way, when I compared the recent abridged BBC 4 screenings of The RKO Story with the original broadcasts, the cut sections included interviews (with participants still included elswhere). My guess is that shorter versions have been prepared for export and/or channels that like to include more adverts/trailers, and these - being more recent - are the editions now most readily to hand or most suitable for technical reasons.

I also dislike intensely the BBC 4 logo that remains on screen throughout all documentaries - and even some feature films - so, all things considered, I think I'll be transferring my tapes instead!
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On my Freeview Guide Plus system, Part One is 50 minutes and Part Two is 55 minutes. The big problem, though, is that, when I enter either part for timer recording on the hard drive, the programme that is automatically set to record is neither part but the film The Lady Vanishes!
My mistake

Reputations

Tuesday 03 March
12:45am - 1:40am
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On my Freeview Guide Plus system, Part One is 50 minutes and Part Two is 55 minutes. The big problem, though, is that, when I enter either part for timer recording on the hard drive, the programme that is automatically set to record is neither part but the film The Lady Vanishes!

By the way, when I compared the recent abridged BBC 4 screenings of The RKO Story with the original broadcasts, the cut sections included interviews (with participants still included elswhere). My guess is that shorter versions have been prepared for export and/or channels that like to include more adverts/trailers, and these - being more recent - are the editions now most readily to hand or most suitable for technical reasons.

I also dislike intensely the BBC 4 logo that remains on screen throughout all documentaries - and even some feature films - so, all things considered, I think I'll be transferring my tapes instead!
Yes- there is no reason for BBC edits to the RKO Story as the BBC obtained perpetual screening rights to the RKO Library a long time ago
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