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Old 10-02-2018, 11:18   #21
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But why is that a problem though? I thought we were all the same and skin colour was irrelevant.
Why on earth would you think that? Do you think that all cultures are interchangeable?

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Why on earth would you think that? Do you think that all cultures are interchangeable?
Of course not.

Some cultures like beating people to death in the street and subjugating women. Some cultures don't.

Some cultures believe in the oppression and punishment of gay people. Some cultures don't.

Some cultures think other minorities are open season while theirs is not.

All cultures are different.
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Of course not.

Some cultures like beating people to death in the street and subjugating women. Some cultures don't.

Some cultures believe in the oppression and punishment of gay people. Some cultures don't.

Some cultures think other minorities are open season while theirs is not.

All cultures are different.
Yes thats been my entire point the whole time. Black Panther is the first superhero set entirely within a black culture with a predominately black cast but people seem to want to say it's not despite it being fact. Not sure why you needed to bring in such extreme examples in a thread about a superhero film set in a black African culture and setting though.

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Yes thats been my entire point the whole time. Black Panther is the first superhero set entirely within a black culture with a predominately black cast but people seem to want to say it's not despite it being fact. Not sure why you needed to bring in such extreme examples in a thread about a superhero film set in a black African culture and setting though.

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I don't think people are quite getting how integral all this is to the plot and the motivations of the (somewhat) sympathetic villain. It's not just another superhero marvel film where the race of the hero is irrelevant.

At least that's my understanding from reading reviews so far.

Got tickets booked for Wednesday and I'm really looking forward to it.

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Yes thats been my entire point the whole time. Black Panther is the first superhero set entirely within a black culture with a predominately black cast but people seem to want to say it's not despite it being fact. Not sure why you needed to bring in such extreme examples in a thread about a superhero film set in a black African culture and setting though.
That's not entirely true though, is it? African-american culture is still black culture so Luke Cage beat Black Panther to the punch in terms of the Marvel universe, and then you can go back to the 90s with non-marvel superhero flicks like Meteor Man that were still set in an african-american neighbourhood with an overwhelmingly black cast. Black Panther is just the first proper african superhero franchise, which is what makes it so exciting because it's not just another sort of "harlem" property.
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That's not entirely true though, is it? African-american culture is still black culture so Luke Cage beat Black Panther to the punch in terms of the Marvel universe, and then you can go back to the 90s with non-marvel superhero flicks like Meteor Man that were still set in an african-american neighbourhood with an overwhelmingly black cast. Black Panther is just the first proper african superhero franchise, which is what makes it so exciting because it's not just another sort of "harlem" property.
I have to say I don't know Meteor Man but you are right that Luke Cage did do it first in regards to Marvel.
Personally I am very much looking forward to the African setting. Makes a great change away from US and European cities.


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Whatever the case, it better have a big blue laser thing firing into the sky at some point, or I'll want my money back!
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The "big thing" is that's it's not just African-American, it's African - and the vast majority of the cast (and I believe crew) are African or of African descent.
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Just seen this. I don't think there is anything groundbreaking at all but probably up there with Marvel's decent efforts (I.e. not Avengers, Gotg or Civil War but Thor, Cap America). The African setting and stylings give it a fresh feel and there are plenty of great performances to enjoy. As with most superhero films it does get a little too CGI heavy toward the end but it doesn't take away from an enjoyable couple of hours.

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Very disappointed with this & one of the poorest Marvel efforts to date. Only Ironman 2 I’d rate lesser IMO. Incredibly bland, predictable, slight story, unimaginative action scenes & just dull overall. You know you’re in trouble when the main bad guy (an excellent Michael Jordan) has way more charisma than your lead “hero”. What little humour there is feels forced & mostly unfunny. I’m completely baffled why this has been so hyped up?!? Even the likes of Thor: Dark World was much more entertaining....
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Seeing it later going in not really knowing much about it. Have seen the trailer once but I'm looking forward to it and hoping it brings something new.
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The "big thing" is that's it's not just African-American, it's African - and the vast majority of the cast (and I believe crew) are African or of African descent.
Lion King
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What on earth does the Lion King have to do with anything?

That was an animated movie directed by white guys, starring (mainly) white actors

Matthew Broderick as Simba
Jeremy Irons as Scar
Nathan Lane as Timon
Rowan Atkinson as Zazu

If people can't see that a big budget blockbuster movie with a black director and predominantly black cast telling a story mainly set in Africa is a big thing then I'm baffled.

Luke Cage might have gotten there first, but it was a TV Show. (An average TV show at best)

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This was ok, but I would say at this point there's no reason to watch this film to keep with the long running story between the films.

The main character is a bit weak and the supporting actors and actresses are all a bit forgettable as well, with the main baddie not really being in it that much.
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This was ok, but I would say at this point there's no reason to watch this film to keep with the long running story between the films.
It's quite self contained and even the credit stings don't massively lead in to The next Avengers movie.

However, from the trailers we've seen it does look like a decent amount of Infinity War takes place on Wakanda, so in terms of this setting up 'the place' I'd say it's worth watching.
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What on earth does the Lion King have to do with anything?
My guess is that he was joking.

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This was ok, but I would say at this point there's no reason to watch this film to keep with the long running story between the films.
I think the importance in this film is more in the introduction of Wakanda and what makes it special. Clearly a lot of Infinity War is set there and the Avengers would greatly benefit in a war with Thanos, from what the country can provide them.
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Doesn't Shaft in Africa count?
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I have to say I don't know Meteor Man but you are right that Luke Cage did do it first in regards to Marvel.
Blade would like a word with you.
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Blade would like a word with you.
Written by a white guy (David S Goyer)
Directed by a white dude (Stephen Norrington)
White mentor (Kris Kristofferson)
White Baddies (Stephen Dorf/Udo Keir)

In 1998 a black actor as a 'superhero' was progressive I guess, but it's not on the same level.

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Unfortunately while I thought it was OK. Certainly fine for an evenings entertainment, it's certainly bottom tier MCU.

The action early on, the casino and car chase, was quite good I thought. But it was just downhill from then onwards.

The plot was threadbare. Acting questionable at times, humour erm, iffy at best. Agree that Michael B. Jordan was easy the best thing in it. He was great.

The African setting and cast mostly helped maintain my interest but they really should have had a better script to go along with it.
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