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Old 15-11-2017, 11:41   #41
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Australia are at the WC after beating Honduras in their play-off.
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Old 15-11-2017, 12:46   #42
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It's Dier btw. Dyer was the old Ipswich and Newcastle winger who spent most of the time injured.
Or at left wing. It was lazy typing rather than confusing the semi Portuguese Tottenham reserve with Kieran or even professional cockneys like Danny.

As for Englands troubles with mediocre sides...Argentina, Portugal, Germany, Brazil and Iceland have been the sides to knock England out of tournaments with a group with Italy and Uruguay being the pre-knockout exception. I agree though that England have failed to match sides technically and tactically generally by believing that Dunkirk spirit or rigidity will suffice...
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Old 15-11-2017, 13:01   #43
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I used to be a much bigger football fan than I am now so I'm a bit out of the loop with the current squad. However, throughout the years watching England in tournaments it has always been the same old thing. They seem happy to play just well enough to beat "lesser" opposition. There doesn't seem to be any desire to try and really put on a performance. This means they never build up any momentum or belief, so as soon as they meet a decent side, whilst they often raise their game, they just can't muster enough to get past the post. The lack of quality in the players is not enough of an excuse. Many teams with lesser quality players have done well in tournaments with not much more than the will to do well.
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Old 01-12-2017, 18:25   #44
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Another **** easy draw for England in the WC but no doubt they will struggle to get out of it.

Anything less than 7 points from that group would be a joke.
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Old 01-12-2017, 19:17   #45
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Belgium, Panama and Tunusia in the Group

If we get out of the group we play someone out of Japan, Senegal, Poland and Colombia.

Should me make the quarters, we could end up with Germany or Brazil (if they make it through), or if they get knocked out someone lesser.

I'm not hugely seeing a group of death, although the Spain and Portugal group looks pretty bad.

IMO anything less than quarter finals would be a real failure.
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Old 01-12-2017, 19:29   #46
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Its somewhat telling that you guys aren’t talking about semis/final with that sort of gift of a draw.
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Belgium, Panama and Tunusia in the Group

If we get out of the group we play someone out of Japan, Senegal, Poland and Colombia.

Should me make the quarters, we could end up with Germany or Brazil (if they make it through), or if they get knocked out someone lesser.

I'm not hugely seeing a group of death, although the Spain and Portugal group looks pretty bad.

IMO anything less than quarter finals would be a real failure.
Get ready for burning effigies of Sadio Mane after he scores the goal that knocks England out.
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Old 01-12-2017, 19:43   #48
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Rumour that Tunisia's alternative stripe is in Iceland's national colours.
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Belgium, Panama and Tunusia in the Group

If we get out of the group we play someone out of Japan, Senegal, Poland and Colombia.

Should me make the quarters, we could end up with Germany or Brazil (if they make it through), or if they get knocked out someone lesser.

I'm not hugely seeing a group of death, although the Spain and Portugal group looks pretty bad.

IMO anything less than quarter finals would be a real failure.
Groups of death are less likely as they've changed the pots to FIFA rankings rather than confederacies.
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Old 01-12-2017, 20:26   #50
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Its somewhat telling that you guys aren’t talking about semis/final with that sort of gift of a draw.
Well once you get beyond the quarters you can pretty much get anyone, so it'd be difficult to speculate on who we might get. Got to expect Germany or Brazil in the quarters, although we might get lucky.

Hate to put a downer, but the last time we beat a decent side in a tournament was Spain in Euro 96. We usually come unstuck against the first decent side we hit, in many cases it isn't even a decent side.

I'm guessing if we hit the semis then we'd consider that a great success, but mostly it's down to the draw. Normally someone gets an easy passage to the semis, it might be us.
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hate to put a downer, but the last time we beat a decent side in a tournament was Spain in Euro 96. We usually come unstuck against the first decent side we hit, in many cases it isn't even a decent side.
That's true in knockout games but remember Spain lost on penalties.

Also England have had good results in groups....

Euros 2000 - England 1-0 Germany
WC 2002 - England 1-0 Argentina
Euros 2004 - England 4-2 Croatia
Euros 2012 - Sweden 2-3 England
Euros 2016 - England 2-1 Wales

But still the last time England won a knockout game against decent opposition in 90 minutes, then that's some time ago....

As for the group, Belgium have great players but a crap manager and lack defensively, much as they did last time. Panama drew to Wales and lost to a poor USA team, Costa Rica and an ageing Mexico in the last year, and Tunisia have lost to nearly everyone bar Algeria, Guinea , Congo and Egypt recently too. Both Belgium and England will look to qualify before the last game and should do so....As for the knockouts, it's hard to see England going too far.
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Thats it lads, we are going to win the world cup, our back handers finally worked.
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Old 02-12-2017, 06:34   #53
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I think the draw gives reasons to be cheerful, at least nobody was making slit throat gestures when it was announced and deciding we'd lost before a team was even picked.

Not seeing many upsets in the making, although there is usually a couple (one probably being us!) or many classic games in the first rounds.
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Not seeing many upsets in the making, although there is usually a couple (one probably being us!) or many classic games in the first rounds.
Potugal v Spain is probably the one that sticks out. There's no real group of death where you can easily see a potential winner going out. In fact we have a pretty straight forward route to the quarter finals, which means we'll be going out at the group stage.
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The whole thing seems a little more set up for the big teams to progress than usual, I suppose to the seeding changes and so fourth. I guess that is what the organisers want really
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Messi apart, are Argentina as good as they were 4 years ago? I have a feeling that they will struggle a bit more this time.
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They struggled to even qualify, yet they always tend to do alright.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football...MCNEWEML6619I2

Strong FIFA response to the IOC ban
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Also looks like we're pretty much hosting Euro 2020 in everything but name

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42270759
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Strong FIFA response to the IOC ban
No surprise there. I've said it before & I'll say it again. The only way forward would be to disband fifa & start again, with no one from the original criminal back handed organisation. In the meantime they paper over the cracks & don't care who notices, cause no one will do anything.
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