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Old 11-10-2017, 05:58   #21
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Squeaky bum time indeed.

I realise it doesn't happen in domestic leagues but everything else seems to be H2H is considered before goal difference and, could be argued, is a far fairer way of comparing two teams than picking the team who happened to score 1/2 more goals against a minnow.
I suppose it's because the team who goes through should be done on who has done the best against all the teams, rather than one. But it's as good a way of doing it as any.

Is it not a criteria at all?

Well France, Portugal and Argentina made it through. USA may not be a massive team, but they've been at every World Cup for a while now, since 1986.

England are currently the 12th best team who have qualified, according to world rankings, we might jump a couple of places by the draw. Do they just have one pot of seeded teams? I cannot remember and recall it's complicated to keep different regions apart.

Looking at it, there is a decent draw in there somewhere
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:04   #22
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USA may not be a massive team, but they've been at every World Cup for a while now, since 1986.
Not sure that America will mind not being in Russia tbh
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Old 11-10-2017, 17:04   #23
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Seeding rules for World Cup 18 here
So the seedings will work in our favour a little, we should be the second best team on paper and some of those higher ranked teams are a little weak (I mean we used to be one of those teams with an artificially high world ranking). Not sure if we can increase it when the rankings come out next week, but we did win both games this month
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:29   #24
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Not sure if we can increase it when the rankings come out next week, but we did win both games this month
Apart from the hosts, France are the lowest ranked team (ranked 7) in pot 1, so I can't see us moving up from 12 to 7
TBH it makes little difference, we'll lose to the rubbish teams anyway.
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Good performance, for once it looked like they were interested. Helps picking players with a point to prove.
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Old 11-11-2017, 01:04   #26
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I was kind of thinking that with it being a draw they should have had penalties to decide a winner
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Old 14-11-2017, 07:30   #27
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Well we've at least gone one stage further than Italy! That's one team who won't be knocking us out
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We're going to play them in a friendly, so they can beat us
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I think it's fine when you're playing Germany or Brazil, what has concerned me in recent years (possibly since Sven) is the desire to play to beat the system of whatever mediocre opposition we face. Playing San Marino, better set ourselves up to thwart their big front man.

Other teams don't seem to do this as much, they just play their natural game and avoid meddling.

Still two draws against two world class teams, can't really complain. Just need to practisce a few penalties.
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It's Dier btw. Dyer was the old Ipswich and Newcastle winger who spent most of the time injured.
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R. Ireland got found out last night, and about time. The minute they come out and try to score goals they get walloped. I'd rather see a team like Denmark at the tournament that at least try to play decent football.
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Australia are at the WC after beating Honduras in their play-off.
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I used to be a much bigger football fan than I am now so I'm a bit out of the loop with the current squad. However, throughout the years watching England in tournaments it has always been the same old thing. They seem happy to play just well enough to beat "lesser" opposition. There doesn't seem to be any desire to try and really put on a performance. This means they never build up any momentum or belief, so as soon as they meet a decent side, whilst they often raise their game, they just can't muster enough to get past the post. The lack of quality in the players is not enough of an excuse. Many teams with lesser quality players have done well in tournaments with not much more than the will to do well.
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Another **** easy draw for England in the WC but no doubt they will struggle to get out of it.

Anything less than 7 points from that group would be a joke.
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Belgium, Panama and Tunusia in the Group

If we get out of the group we play someone out of Japan, Senegal, Poland and Colombia.

Should me make the quarters, we could end up with Germany or Brazil (if they make it through), or if they get knocked out someone lesser.

I'm not hugely seeing a group of death, although the Spain and Portugal group looks pretty bad.

IMO anything less than quarter finals would be a real failure.
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Its somewhat telling that you guys aren’t talking about semis/final with that sort of gift of a draw.
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Belgium, Panama and Tunusia in the Group

If we get out of the group we play someone out of Japan, Senegal, Poland and Colombia.

Should me make the quarters, we could end up with Germany or Brazil (if they make it through), or if they get knocked out someone lesser.

I'm not hugely seeing a group of death, although the Spain and Portugal group looks pretty bad.

IMO anything less than quarter finals would be a real failure.
Get ready for burning effigies of Sadio Mane after he scores the goal that knocks England out.
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Rumour that Tunisia's alternative stripe is in Iceland's national colours.
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Belgium, Panama and Tunusia in the Group

If we get out of the group we play someone out of Japan, Senegal, Poland and Colombia.

Should me make the quarters, we could end up with Germany or Brazil (if they make it through), or if they get knocked out someone lesser.

I'm not hugely seeing a group of death, although the Spain and Portugal group looks pretty bad.

IMO anything less than quarter finals would be a real failure.
Groups of death are less likely as they've changed the pots to FIFA rankings rather than confederacies.
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Its somewhat telling that you guys aren’t talking about semis/final with that sort of gift of a draw.
Well once you get beyond the quarters you can pretty much get anyone, so it'd be difficult to speculate on who we might get. Got to expect Germany or Brazil in the quarters, although we might get lucky.

Hate to put a downer, but the last time we beat a decent side in a tournament was Spain in Euro 96. We usually come unstuck against the first decent side we hit, in many cases it isn't even a decent side.

I'm guessing if we hit the semis then we'd consider that a great success, but mostly it's down to the draw. Normally someone gets an easy passage to the semis, it might be us.
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