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Old 14-04-2018, 22:40   #381
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Saw TLJ at the cinema, midnight showing and whilst there were really good bits, the silly humour seemed to stand out too much. So I purchased a 4TB Hard Drive in preperation for doing a re-edit. Had grand designs to remove large portions of the opening battle even. So I settled down to watch it again tonight with the missus and...I bloody well loved it! Have some of the edits been tweaked? Been toned down from the theatrical somehow?
So glad I wasnt one of those doing a Youtube video cwing how it's destroyed all my hopes for star wars because I'd have to eat plenty of humble pie at the moment. I did post similar sentiments though, so just tucking into my hat at the moment!

To be honest I actually enjoyed it more than The Force Awakens(which I love) because of the sheer depth it adds to the star wars mythos. Absolute cracking film and kinda ashamed I hated it so much. Maybe sleep deprived midnight showings are not the answer lol

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Old 15-04-2018, 06:20   #382
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I watched this on Saturday night, turned it off with an hour to go as I realised I was looking at my phone more than the film. As a Star Wars film it is ****.

As a science fiction film it is also ****.

Basically, it's ****.
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Old 15-04-2018, 08:55   #383
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After seeing so many negative reviews, I just wanted to say I love it more with each viewing - Was a bit indifferent to it when I first saw it in the cinema save for a few scenes (I like the infamous Leia bit) and felt The Force Awakens was better at the time.

Bit of background - I grew up with the original trilogy in the 80s (starting with Return of the Jedi on TV) and I absolutely hate the prequels.
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Old 15-04-2018, 09:07   #384
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Saw TLJ at the cinema, midnight showing and whilst there were really good bits, the silly humour seemed to stand out too much. So I purchased a 4TB Hard Drive in preperation for doing a re-edit. Had grand designs to remove large portions of the opening battle even. So I settled down to watch it again tonight with the missus and...I bloody well loved it! Have some of the edits been tweaked? Been toned down from the theatrical somehow?
So glad I wasnt one of those doing a Youtube video cwing how it's destroyed all my hopes for star wars because I'd have to eat plenty of humble pie at the moment. I did post similar sentiments though, so just tucking into my hat at the moment!
Felt the same! The second viewing at home seemed to somehow tone down the silly humour. Maybe the fact that you're not in a room full of people, and like removing a laughter track from a comedy.

However it still has its flaws. The casino segment, CG taking a massive step back in quality compared to TFA and Rogue One.

Overall I still prefer TFA, as it was much better directed despite it being a retread of previous movies.
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Old 15-04-2018, 11:07   #385
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How can you say that TLJ wasn't a retread of previous movies also? It was basically about half of Empire Strikes back
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Leia poppins bit gets more cringing on the second time I saw the film
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It's the first Star Wars film I haven't bought on release day
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Old 15-04-2018, 12:02   #388
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Felt the same! The second viewing at home seemed to somehow tone down the silly humour. Maybe the fact that you're not in a room full of people, and like removing a laughter track from a comedy.

However it still has its flaws. The casino segment, CG taking a massive step back in quality compared to TFA and Rogue One.

Overall I still prefer TFA, as it was much better directed despite it being a retread of previous movies.
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How can you say that TLJ wasn't a retread of previous movies also? It was basically about half of Empire Strikes back
The subtext (or just 'text' ?) of the film is that this is a retread.... history is repeating/echoing within the films own logic. TFA started this, it was a perfect echo of New Hope... that's the 'current' of this new trilogy.

TLJ cleverly 'broke' away from merely history repeating itself when Kylo kills Snoke. Vader didn't do this when he confronted Luke, he obeyed Palpatine... That's when this became a new story. Then Luke, unlike Yoda in Empire (as he was already gone), came in to help.. further changing events.

There is always a set of masters and pupils.. one dark side, one light. This time, the death of snoke broke that chain, now there are no masters left. Two pupils have to decide the future... The question for the third film, will it reset and history start to repeat again? ..Is Kylo too far gone..?

Where TLJ has gone wrong is that in Empire, Leia and Han's side plot was as good as the main plot and could have been it's own film. TLJ's secondary plot had problems with too many characters all over the place. Then it completely dropped the ball with a third subplot about Finn and Rose on a Casino planet. A distraction/time filler too far.

They should have learned from the MCU and made a decent end credits tease on that planet with the kid that has force mop powers. That was all that was needed to setup episode nine.

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Some of the deleted scenes on the disc are brilliant. A bit let down by The Director & The Jedi doc, though. It's extremely passive.
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After seeing so many negative reviews, I just wanted to say I love it more with each viewing - Was a bit indifferent to it when I first saw it in the cinema save for a few scenes (I like the infamous Leia bit) and felt The Force Awakens was better at the time.

Bit of background - I grew up with the original trilogy in the 80s (starting with Return of the Jedi on TV) and I absolutely hate the prequels.
I was going to post to this thread but then I realised you took the words straight out of my mouth. Was unsure on first viewing but enjoyed a lot more when going again with my daughter. Then at home I absolutely loved it. Even the casino scene, which I still have some issues with, had a number of great moments that weren't apparent to me on the first viewing.
Quite frankly, I can't wait to watch it again.
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The subtext (or just 'text' ?) of the film is that this is a retread.... history is repeating/echoing within the films own logic. TFA started this, it was a perfect echo of New Hope... that's the 'current' of this new trilogy.
Nonsense. The Force Awakens was a blatant rip-off of the original Star Wars because it was the safest way to make a new Star Wars film. Nothing more, nothing less.
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They even admitted to that.
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Nonsense. The Force Awakens was a blatant rip-off of the original Star Wars because it was the safest way to make a new Star Wars film. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's a shame, I was looking forward to the Ewoks in the third film
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Nonsense. The Force Awakens was a blatant rip-off of the original Star Wars because it was the safest way to make a new Star Wars film. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't argue with that..... and because of that they have written it in as a theme of the trilogy. What's the problem with that?
Are you claiming it is nonsense that Rey is trained by Luke like Luke was trained by Yoda.. and that Kylo is trained by Snoke like Vader was trained by Palpatine? I thought this is a fairly obvious 'cycle' in Star Wars? .. Jedi's Vs Sith.. in each generation a hero is chosen etc..



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I don't argue with that..... and because of that they have written it in as a theme of the trilogy. What's the problem with that?
The problem is that it's completely by-the-numbers and, like Rich Evans said, it's the absolute minimum they could've done to make a competent Star Wars film. And that's exactly what it is...competent.

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Are you claiming it is nonsense that Rey is trained by Luke like Luke was trained by Yoda.. and that Kylo is trained by Snoke like Vader was trained by Palpatine? I thought this is a fairly obvious 'cycle' in Star Wars? .. Jedi's Vs Sith.. in each generation a hero is chosen etc..
Having recurring themes due to Star Wars 'universe lore' is different to trying to tell the exact same story with blander characters.
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The problem is that it's completely by-the-numbers and, like Rich Evans said, it's the absolute minimum they could've done to make a competent Star Wars film. And that's exactly what it is...competent.



Having recurring themes due to Star Wars 'universe lore' is different to trying to tell the exact same story with blander characters.
I make no comment on whether this is a good or bad way TO do it... just that's how they've done it... however, given the constraint of the likely business decision, I don't think it's too bad how they did the main story-line. If the the secondary story-lines were decent, people would have been far more positive.
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