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Old 09-06-2019, 22:54   #201
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Looks like Ferrari tried to knobble Charles again, first they kept him out unnecessarily for the hoped for Safety car, then they didn’t tell him about Sebs penalty and then when it looked like he was closing they asked him to come in got fast lap tyres, they truly have all their eggs in Sebs basket.
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:12   #202
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It seems a harsh penalty on the face of it, but I can see why they've given it. I'm also of the opinion that he didn't need to steer over to the right as far as he did. His car wasn't that out of control IMO and if it was, then he shouldn't have been nailing as hard to get back on the racing line.

Also the actual rule makes clear why he got the penalty, especially the last sentence.

Article 27.3 of the sporting regulations: "Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage."

You can't just throw your car back on track in front of someone to avoid losing a position, and then sort it out when you get there.

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Old 10-06-2019, 06:53   #204
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Looks like I stand corrected . They can and have appealed.
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Old 10-06-2019, 06:53   #205
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No appeal allowed and it would be wrong to as it changed mindset of Hamilton who was happy to sit behind Vettel but inside the 5s window.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48577479
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:07   #206
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I guess they can contest the race result.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:20   #207
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It seems a harsh penalty on the face of it, but I can see why they've given it. I'm also of the opinion that he didn't need to steer over to the right as far as he did. His car wasn't that out of control IMO and if it was, then he shouldn't have been nailing as hard to get back on the racing line.

Also the actual rule makes clear why he got the penalty, especially the last sentence.

Article 27.3 of the sporting regulations: "Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage."

You can't just throw your car back on track in front of someone to avoid losing a position, and then sort it out when you get there.
Agreed - my opinion on initial view was that he'd deliberately gone much further to the right than he had to when coming back on track to block Hamilton, and that's definitely gaining an advantage.

Not great from Hamilton on the celebration front, but I also don't expect him to be pretending he's in a monastery with all the adrenalin and also believing that Seb effectively cheated to stay in front after making yet another mistake under pressure.
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:04   #208
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It had echoes of Schumacher and Hill after he'd clipped the wall.
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:22   #209
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On a completely different note, liked the radio feedback given to Magnussen...


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Agreed - my opinion on initial view was that he'd deliberately gone much further to the right than he had to when coming back on track to block Hamilton, and that's definitely gaining an advantage.
I haven’t seen the incident but just read this on BBC News site

‘But race stewards handed the penalty to Vettel because they felt he continued to move across the track after regaining full control of his car. They felt he could instead have continued on a line that allowed Hamilton space, and believed video footage of movements of his steering and head suggested he had seen Hamilton and knew where he was’
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Ultimately if the rules state that you must be rejoin safely, and that basically means that another car doesn't have to make a course change or brake to avoid you, then you've broken the rules.

That's how I see it anyway.
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I haven’t seen the incident but just read this on BBC News site

‘But race stewards handed the penalty to Vettel because they felt he continued to move across the track after regaining full control of his car. They felt he could instead have continued on a line that allowed Hamilton space, and believed video footage of movements of his steering and head suggested he had seen Hamilton and knew where he was’
From the very same website.

Alexander Wurz, the chairman of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association, said: "My observation on Vettel rejoining: his helmet moved to look into mirror only after steering correction! That he slid that far is laws of physics. No space for Lewis is name of game with street tracks. What happened to 'Let them race?' Was it sketchy? Yes! A penalty? Not in my view."

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but the ones of past former world champions and former F1 racers carry much more weight imo..
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48583803

Palmer has it 100% spot on here.
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The simple fact is people have been complaining that penalties have not been consistent, this time they’ve followed the letter of the law and people are complaining again... are we stuck in a loop?
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Palmer has it 100% spot on here.

Was just about to post that, exactly right

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Hmmm.. yeah, the argument Palmer pits forward in that column is compelling.

The only corollary I would add to it is that the whole thing happened in about 2 seconds, and so it reflects instinct rather than intention.

But yes, perhaps we should be focusing on the (flawed) regulations, rather than the decision.
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The simple fact is people have been complaining that penalties have not been consistent, this time they’ve followed the letter of the law and people are complaining again... are we stuck in a loop?
This is the crux of it to me, by letter of law it was a penalty . Palmers column saying that and so they had to give a penalty one way or another. I'm calling that ********. They are inconsistent in dishing out penalties. Max has gotten away with exactly what Vettel did a couple of times .

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Old 11-06-2019, 07:50   #220
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Max was punished for exactly the same thing not too long ago on Kimi. And Ferrari were pushing for a penalty then too. Can't have it both ways.

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