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Old 11-05-2007, 07:07   #61
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The big question is why was Jakob crying out for help? Could Ben have some sort of control over him in some way, or maybe is it just the island?
Perhaps he is imprisoned within the ring of ash/gunpower/whatever that surrounds his shack.
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:43   #62
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I've been thinking about Bens timeline:

He appears to be born in the early 60's going by the car and clothes. He looks about 10 when he arrives on the Island so early 70's which fits in with when the Dharma Initiative was formed. Many years later he kills his father in the Purge. This must take place before 1988 as that is when Rousseau arrives. Thus the last possible date for the Purge is 22nd Dec 1987 placing Ben in his late 20's

However Mikhail said he was present during the purge and he didn't arrive on the Island till 1993. And the watch Ben looked at in the van before gassing his father wasn't sold till 1992. Now whilst the watch could be a production error*. Its impossible to reconcile Mikhails story with Rousseaus and given that Alex appears to be her child my monies on Mikhail being a liar.

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Why must the purge take place before Rousseau arrived? Surely the gas attack and results is the best explanation for 'The Sickness' that she talked about, but being where they were on the island instead of dying instantly they received a lesser dosage causing a slow painfull death.

This would allow Rousseau to be on the island for a while with her crew, whilst both Dharma and The Hostiles were both there.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:00   #63
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smst: in terms of your speculation (not sure why you spoilered it as you have as much idea as the rest of us what's going to happen) I think you seem to have forgotten that Walt's "powers" manifested off the island during one (or more) of Michael's flashbacks.
I spoilered it in case I was right, but I agree it was unnecessary so I've removed the blackness.

Good point about Walt. Maybe Walt has an innate ability to make things happen, on the island or not, and all the other manifestations are a product of the island. The others were interested in Walt because he exhibits the same powers. (Maybe Michael wasn't real! Walt might have dreamed him into coming to Australia to rescue him after his mum died -- an unconscious desire.)

Perhaps Jacob was a man with the same powers, drawn to the island many years ago. The island's unusual magnetic properties are amplifying his power.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:13   #64
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How many more buildings are they going to find on this island that the losties have missed!!

Also, if Richard is a native, how did he end up working for Widmore (was it Widmore?).

Great episode, didn't see the ending coming!!
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:42   #65
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How many more buildings are they going to find on this island that the losties have missed!!

Also, if Richard is a native, how did he end up working for Widmore (was it Widmore?).

Great episode, didn't see the ending coming!!
I keep thinking of that scene on the alternate DVD cut of Anchorman where they're lost in the woods and thinking about resorting to cannibalism while in the background there's a load of fast-food joint signs peeking over the tops of the trees.
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:26   #66
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Also, if Richard is a native, how did he end up working for Widmore (was it Widmore?).
We saw him working for Mittelos Bioscience. As far as we know that's one of Ben's/The Island's companies and not part of Widmore
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Ah yes, I remember now. Mittelos Bioscience. But still, he's a native of the island, and ends up as a corporate big wig?? Also, how is Ben connected to the company? Just because he (was it him or was it 'the Hostiles'?) kills off the Dharma initiative, doesn't mean he inherits everything on and off the island!! Lots of questions, which may or may not get answered!!
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:45   #68
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I think Mittelos is just a front. Its not a real company. But its easier to approach people saying your from a company as opposed to saying your some bloke that lives on an island where really weird things happen and that you haven't aged a day since the 60s.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:39   #69
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plus it's an anagram of Lost Time...
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This is hotting up nicely, great Episode!

Something bugging me, where did Walt/Michael go to in the boat?

I'm sure Ben "gave them his word" that they just had to head in a certain direction and they'd be rescued.

If so, how come the helipcoptor chick didn't mention that eveyone on flight 815 died except a father and son who has strange tales to tell about some island?

After Ben stating in this episode that he lied about being born on the island I presume that he lied to Walt/Michael and they are floating around dead.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:13   #71
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Michael and Walt...

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The submarine was very visible when KiddyBen arrived at the island, there was a blatant shot of it with them all walking up the jetty to the Namaste Girls. So, looks like that has been the only way to the island for the 30 or 40 years or whatever it's supposed to be that Ben has been there. And if Locke did blow it up, they're stuffed.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:19   #73
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Nah! There's probably an invisible one just around the corner!
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lol. Or maybe Season 4 is going to cover their attempts to refloat the Black Rock, while GhostlyJacob rains fireballs down on them.
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But don't forget they still have Desmond's sailboat that they took from Jin, Sun and Sayid but where they have hidden it, I have no idea
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What about young ben "following the white rabbit" through the sonic fence ...
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There are screenshots that clearly show a persons image in the Jacob scene.

http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=4859
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Lost has got great recently, but so much has happened over time that I am concerned that when everything finally is explained over the next few years, I'm not going to understand any of it because I'll have forgotten so many sub-plots!

There's just too much to remember!
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Next week should be interesting with Jack spilling the beans on what he knows about the others to the castaway's. I know Juliette told them to turn the tape over but I don't think that's a sign they can trust her, she must have know they'd have done that eventually.
Aside from the turgid love triangle soap opera this is the show's biggest failing - characters don't act like anyone else on the planet would act in such a situation. With all the stuff that has happened to them over the course of the last few weeks/months - the attacks, kidnappings, murders, torture - they receive a tape recording stolen from the perpetrators, exposing a mole in their midst. What do they do? Listen for 10 seconds then hit stop. They have to be told that there might be something else on the tape and that perhaps they should check.

I like Lost, and the quality is certainly improving towards the end of this season, but having otherwise rational characters do stupid things in order to advance the plot is just lazy writing and very frustrating to watch.
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Yip, there's no way one character will spill the beans. We just have to accept that will never happen I think. Its annoying that these supposedly intelligent and wily characters won't ask the obvious, but I gave up hoping they'd sort that plot problem out back in season 2. Just accept it and you'll enjoy it more.

I forgot about the ring of ash/gunpowder round the cabin area. With the wrecked ship, does that give us an idea of the time when Jacob arrived on the island?

I thought Michael and Walt's story was considered to be over according to writers? Did I hear that right?
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