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Old 10-05-2007, 20:58   #41
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He's not dead!

is he?
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Old 10-05-2007, 21:05   #42
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They've never been able to keep a character death secret and I don't think there's been a single rumour of Locke dieing.

Fairly safe bet he isn't dead I reckon.
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Old 10-05-2007, 21:09   #43
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I think I've got a good idea of what's going on now... here's my current speculative theory:

Richard was surprised that Ben's mum had been seen. It looks like the island (or the smoke) is manifesting itself as people who have died on the island -- probably when there's a brain to examine, and pull out memories and personality. Richard etc may be manifestations like that (although we've seen Richard off-island so probably not).

I see no reason that Locke couldn't return: he had an affinity with the island, so is a good candidate for manifestation. (Season 7 is zombie season!)

Ben was able to direct the island to create a manifestation of his mother, but unconsciously: he longed for his mother and she appeared. The island/smoke helped him through her, perhaps because he's special. This is the essence of the "magic box". But given Richard's aforementioned surprise, I don't think it works for everyone's wants: Walt is somebody for whom it does work, I think. Does it work for Locke? That's been implied, but was Cooper brought to the island by the Others?

Jacob is likely therefore a manifestation himself, or _the_ manifestation: a representation of the consciousness of the island/smoke itself. I don't think he fears technology. I think that electrical or magnetic fields cause problems for whatever the mechanism is, and that sent it haywire in the shack.

About mothers and babies: is the inability to bring a child to term some sort of manifestation of the deep guilt that Ben feels about his own mother? He has an unconscious power to control the island: maybe he's accidentally made it so that the rules follow his own mother's situation. I wouldn't be surprised if his childhood friend had died before the massacre, and the healing powers of the island are his unconscious attempt to compensate for that.

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Old 10-05-2007, 21:10   #44
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I hope they don't kill him off. He is one of the best if not the best characters in this confusing yet enthralling series.
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We didn't need a Ben flashback; we needed a Ben assassination!
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Old 10-05-2007, 21:28   #46
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We didn't need a Ben flashback; we needed a Ben assassination!
You would think if Locke catches up to him by seasons' end, it'll happen.
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Old 10-05-2007, 21:45   #47
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No-one else find it creepy that the method Ben used to empty the camp when the Losties were present was a copy of the way he killed all the Dharma people?
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Old 10-05-2007, 21:53   #48
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No-one else find it creepy that the method Ben used to empty the camp when the Losties were present was a copy of the way he killed all the Dharma people?
I found the killing bit creepy, but that's all. Reminds me of that Sci-fi show with John Goodman in Eric Close's body.

You know, at the start of this episode I had a feeling Ben killed his dad, sadly I didn't have a chance to post my prediction but never mind.

Didn't see the shooting coming but I don't think Locke is dead and I don't think Ben was trying to kill him necessarily, perhaps this is a test of some kind.

Next week should be interesting with Jack spilling the beans on what he knows about the others to the castaway's. I know Juliette told them to turn the tape over but I don't think that's a sign they can trust her, she must have know they'd have done that eventually.
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You know, at the start of this episode I had a feeling Ben killed his dad, sadly I didn't have a chance to post my prediction but never mind.
That's okay. We believe you.

I'm also with the camp that thinks Locke isn't dead. Heck, he survived an 8-story fall, didn't he?

Also, thinking about the anti-aging properties of the island. Batmanuel is immortal! But now I'm wondering about the Amelia Earhart theories and Hearat (I think it was?) Aviation, the name of the flight company in the Juliet flashback episode. . . .

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Old 10-05-2007, 22:01   #50
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Spoiler from next weeks trailer...

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Old 10-05-2007, 22:30   #51
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Did anyone else think of The Stand when we saw all the Dharma people having dropped dead where they stood?
I know that book is never away from the Lost writers' room or something!

I was sure Ben's childhood friend, Annie, was going to grow up to be Isabel but I guess not!
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Old 10-05-2007, 23:15   #52
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Jacob looks like Kris Kristofferson
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Old 10-05-2007, 23:23   #53
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Did we ever see what happened to Annie?

Good episode

I hope that is a monkey on Jacob's shoulder, we need monkeys in Lost! Looks to me like we're going to get an eruption rather than a tsunami at some point. Interesting that Alpert seemed to think it was important if Ben's mother died on or off the island. Locke beating Mikhail made me laugh (in a good way).

Edit: I thought Jacob looked like Peter Fonda.

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Old 10-05-2007, 23:28   #54
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I wish they'd kill off Jack instead of Locke. He has turned into such an aggressive and annoying character. And he's a rubbish actor.

Maybe it's a parrot on Jacob's shoulder, like all good pirates have.

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Old 10-05-2007, 23:32   #55
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I wouldn't be surprised if his childhood friend had died before the massacre, and the healing powers of the island are his unconscious attempt to compensate for that.
I like that a lot.

I'm pretty sure that Alpert met Ben at a young age and told him he was special, but to realise how special he was and in order to achieve his potential had to get rid of the mental grip his father's behaviour had on him. He was forced to kill his father, did so, and led the Others.

Now Ben meets Locke, tells him he's special, but in order to realise how special he his and in order to achieve his potential tells him he has to lose the mental grip his father's behaviour has on him, make a "gesture" and kill his father.

The difference is, I don't think Ben is as really special as the Others think he is, and Ben knows he's in danger of being found out. He tells Locke that in order to be that special guy, you'll have to kill your father, knowing fine well that Locke is incabable of doing such a thing. The look on his face when Locke re-enters the camp was priceless. As for Jacob - well i don't think Ben can see him at all. He definitely *exists* in some way or another, and Ben is pretending he can communicate with him, but when Locke turns up and actually hears something and catches a glimpse, well it proves he's special in a way Ben isn't. Rather than being exposed to the rest of the Others, or have Locke take his own rightful place as "leader", Ben shoots Locke.

Maybe.
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Old 10-05-2007, 23:43   #56
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If he was really going to kill him wouldn't he have gone for the head-shot or at least multiple hits?

Regarding all the theories now popping up, one thing we all know by now is that whatever we think it is it won't be!
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:48   #57
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I've been thinking about Bens timeline:

He appears to be born in the early 60's going by the car and clothes. He looks about 10 when he arrives on the Island so early 70's which fits in with when the Dharma Initiative was formed. Many years later he kills his father in the Purge. This must take place before 1988 as that is when Rousseau arrives. Thus the last possible date for the Purge is 22nd Dec 1987 placing Ben in his late 20's

However Mikhail said he was present during the purge and he didn't arrive on the Island till 1993. And the watch Ben looked at in the van before gassing his father wasn't sold till 1992. Now whilst the watch could be a production error*. Its impossible to reconcile Mikhails story with Rousseaus and given that Alex appears to be her child my monies on Mikhail being a liar.

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Old 11-05-2007, 02:14   #58
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I guess this means there are two distinct parts to the others - the original 'whispering and never aging ones' and the normal people Ben recruited with the Dharma sub over the years.
I think there's 3 parts: The "Natives" whom Richard is a part of, The Dharma people and scientists brought to the island since Dharma were kiled off, and finally the "Spirits" who are behind the jungle whispering, and who I assume the Black Smoke and Jakob belong to.

I think the reason Ben is the "leader" over the older natives like Richard is because he has the strongest ability to commune with the "Spirits", and the reason he shot Locke was because he was a serious threat to this position. Perhaps ben can occasionally see Jakob, but can't hear him, hence ben saying "because you heard him" before he shot Locke.

The big question is why was Jakob crying out for help? Could Ben have some sort of control over him in some way, or maybe is it just the island?

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Its impossible to reconcile Mikhails story with Rousseaus and given that Alex appears to be her child my monies on Mikhail being a liar.
Unusual man with eye-patch turns out to be lying in Lost.

News at 11.

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Old 11-05-2007, 07:06   #60
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smst: in terms of your speculation (not sure why you spoilered it as you have as much idea as the rest of us what's going to happen) I think you seem to have forgotten that Walt's "powers" manifested off the island during one (or more) of Michael's flashbacks.
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