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Old 16-01-2003, 13:23   #1
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Patrick Stewart's comments on Nemesis ratings

few quick (out of context?) comments here:
http://www.ananova.com/entertainment...=entertainment

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"As a child, I believed what was happening on the screen with all my heart. Today, I watch Lord of the Rings and I know these armies don't exist."
So Patrick what are you saying? :confused: Are we supposed to believe faster-than-light travel is possible then?

Did he get offered any roles in LOTR?

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Old 16-01-2003, 13:35   #2
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I think he means, the armies(people) weren't real. Which is a fair enough comment to be frank.
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Not a lot of respect left for Pat after those comments. Pertinent that he’s giving them to a German paper just before it opens there, traditionally one of the strongest Trek markets. Damage limitation exercise?
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In principal I think he's right. Too many of todays film makers fall back on bad fake looking CGI which quite clearly stand out from the real physical actors/sets around it. Some directors such as George Lucas have increased the usage of CGI to such a level that their films resemble computer games and are in my opinion closer to animated films (nothing wrong with animated films I should point out) then physically acted movies. I haven't seen TTT so I can't comment on that film in particular but more and more effects these days stand out rather then blend in. I think it was the special effects guy on the X-Files who said that the best special effects are the ones you don't actually notice as they look real.
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Old 16-01-2003, 13:58   #5
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On the contrary, I think the effects in the first two lotr films work so well because so much of it is done practically rather than with cgi.

They use so many clever tricks like forced perspective and detailed models, that you'd be surprised at how little cgi the first film in particular contains.
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That said, I agree about George Lucas and the prequels...
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In essence I agree with Mr. Stewart but he's most definitely picked the wrong film to level non realistic CGI effects at... with maybe the exception of the Hobbits in the Ents branches.

Gollum is utterly believeable.
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Good Lord, so the Enterprise and all the space battles that have happened were all REAL?

And there was me thinking they were all computer generated and/or models.

Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black!
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Good Lord, so the Enterprise and all the space battles that have happened were all REAL?

And there was me thinking they were all computer generated and/or models.

Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle Black!
totally agree. I was going to post something to that effect, but seeing as you've already done so, i'll just quote you instead!
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Old 16-01-2003, 14:36   #10
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Humph. I went to see ST:N at the cinema on day of release having been excited about it for ages, avoided all spoilers etc....I think its safe to say the reason its not done so well at the box office is cos its pants!! Which is a shame, but there you go. Just hoping to goodness they don't do an "Enterprise" movie. Ewww.
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I liked the movie.

Just thought I'd say that.
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i have become increasingly annoyed with patrick stewart, especially all the cursing in 'nemesis

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/nemesis.html
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Re: Patrick Stewart's comments on Nemesis ratings

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Did he get offered any roles in LOTR?
Just finished reading the interview with Patrick Stewart in Total Film magazine, and he says he was very interested in getting a part in the LOTR films (didn't say which role he was after). He is a big fan of the books, and he even met Peter Jackson, but apparently PJ wasn't interested as he had his own very precise ideas on the the type of actors for the LOTR roles.
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patrick was probably busy preparing to shoot masterminds 2
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Maybe he was after the big 3

Star Trek, X-Men and Lord of the Rings.

Next on the list Star Wars.

(Christopher Lee has an advance on him though, when you look at his resume and all the iconic films he has been in)
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Not a lot of respect left for Pat after those comments. Pertinent that he’s giving them to a German paper just before it opens there, traditionally one of the strongest Trek markets. Damage limitation exercise?

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Another incisive comment from the Trek lobby.

I’ll ellucidate further for the benefit of certain people - Fairly pathetic to see Stewart resorting to dissing another movie and accusing cinema-goers of "not responding to the theme of the movie" :confused: What theme would that be? The artistic bankruptcy theme? The allocate more screen time to him despite the fact it fatally unbalances the movie as a whole theme? The recycle ideas from another Trek movie theme?

As pointed out above his comments are doubly mystifying as Trek was and is effects heavy so unless Mr Stewart actually believes he is Capt. Picard and this is the 25th Century, might I suggest that people in glass Starships......

I’ve seen it all now - A lead actor blaming the audience for the failure of his movie. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so desperate.

Some further comment here

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Perhaps he might try blaming the writers...

they seemed eager enough to rewrite the Wrath of Kahn whilst at the same time taking out the good bits......

Blaming the audience.....I mean If theirs a film franchise where fans 'tend to remember' whats been shown before, i think it would have to be Star Trek.

Come on.... i was sat there crying in pain... scene for scene it was ripped off.... at least with The twin towers you knew what was coming (that is if you'd read the book) but it was engrossing...

Nemesis was just Gross

It was that bad it made the search for spock seem good... hell it even ended with the toast from the beginning of It..... "to absent friends...yada yada yada"
to an absent script more like

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Gollum is utterly believeable.
Hmmm. I found Gollum to be well-animated, but certainly not believable. He stood out as CGI throughout the whole film for me. I think his lighting could have been done a little better, since in quite a few shots he really stood out against the background. However, the absolute worst CGI in the film was the bit at the beginning
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That part was the best CGI effect in the whole film Whiggles! There were far worse CGI moments than that, far far worse.
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