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Old 22-06-2002, 20:49   #1
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Why don't new movies admit they are remakes of earlier movies?

Independance Day absolutely no mention whatsoever that it was a complete copy of war of the worlds.

First Blood = lonely are the brave

Jwanna man is a complete copy of Tootsie but no mention of this is made??

How many more can you name?
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Old 22-06-2002, 21:24   #2
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Barb Wire and Casablanca.
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Old 22-06-2002, 21:41   #3
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Last House on the Left - The Virgin Spring

Vanilla Sky - Open Your Eyes - Jacob's Ladder
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Old 22-06-2002, 21:50   #4
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Speed = Wages of Fear + Lift to the Scaffold

Reservoir Dogs = City on Fire + The Killing + The Taking of Pelham 123

The tacked-on ending of Fatal Attraction = Les Diaboliques

Psycho = Les Diaboliques (and Hitchcock was rather relieved that no-one spotted the massive debt at the time!)

The Killer = Le Samouraï
Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai = Le Samouraï
The Driver = Le Samouraï
(all of which is somewhat ironic, as Le Samouraï is hardly a paragon of originality in itself!)

Last Man Standing = A Fistful of Dollars = Yojimbo
(Sergio Leone claimed Carlo Goldoni's 18th-century play The Servant of Two Masters came first!)
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magnificent 7 = 7 samurai - was this made publicly clear when first released, or just became apparent since it was so obvious anyway?
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Old 22-06-2002, 22:32   #6
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A Fistful of Dollars = Yojimbo

The Most Dangerous Game = the most remade film ever?

Star Wars = The Hidden Fortress
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...I believe Last Man Standing does indeed credit the original (Japanese) Authors - don't have the disc at hand to verify, but the IMDb confirms:

http://us.imdb.com/Details?0116830#writers

...while Melville's Le Samouraï was based on a novel: "The Ronin"

http://us.imdb.com/Details?0062229#writers

...I remember that at the time I saw the French movie I was reminded of the 1942 noir This Gun For Hire starring Alan Ladd, which was based on a novel by Graham Greene, no less... wouldn't surprise me one bit if both Melville and Delon had seen that one prior to making 'their' lone gunman movie...

...I guess if a person really wanted to sift sand, they could claim that - ultimately - the origin of almost every plotline (whether for novel, play, or film) can be found in the Bible, or in classic Greek tragedies, or the Edda, or...

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Old 22-06-2002, 22:39   #8
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The Lion King = Hamlet
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Old 22-06-2002, 22:44   #9
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Holiday on the Buses = Hamlet

Or was it the other way round?

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Old 22-06-2002, 23:04   #10
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Vanilla Sky - Open Your Eyes - Jacob's Ladder
Don't see much of a connection between Jacob's Ladder and Open Your Eyes / Vanilla Sky myself - apart from a general "blurring line between fantasy and reality to a point where you're not sure which is which" sort of way. Certainly wouldn't say that makes the latter two remakes of the former. :confused:

Oh and...

Robocop - The Bible
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The Fast And The Furious seemed like pretty much a carbon copy of Point Break. Right down to casting a plank of wood as the hero.
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Not seen it but I think A perfect murder is a 'Dial M...' remake.
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Warner Brothers restricted the use of the original version of 'Ransom' for a while during the time the Gibson/Russo/Sinise remake was current.
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The most shocking I've heard of is the new Jennifer Lopez thriller, Enough, in which she stars as an abused wife of a psycho husband who escapes but he tracks her down - the exact same premise as the 1991 Julia Roberts thriller Sleeping With The Enemy.

Another recent one was Antitrust, which takes the plot of The Firm, transplants it to the IT industry, takes out all the wit and suspense and makes the characters a lot less interesting (apart from Tim Robbins' funny Bill Gates parody).
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..."shocking"?... well... ahh... fwiw... Enough was "written by" Nicholas Kazan (son of the late Elia Kazan, Director of e.g. On The Waterfront)... so the former movie, presumably, is an 'original'...

...whereas... Ronald Bass's screenplay for Sleeping With The Enemy was based on Nancy Price's eponymous novel...

...yup!...

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On the subject of "Enough", am I the only person who wants to go and scribble a new tagline on the posters:

she needs a good slap!

I wonder if "hit me baby, one more time..." is on the soundtrack?

Seriously though, doesn't this thread just prove that everything has been done several times over and that everything else is simply a variation on a theme / formula.

They'll be another Sleeping with the enemy / Enough in a decade because domestic violence will never go away...
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Originally posted by Narshty
Vanilla Sky - Open Your Eyes - Jacob's Ladder
Then again JACOB'S LADDER is itself a direct lift from a 1960's film whose title escapes me for the moment - it's set during the American Civil War & centres around a man who is about to hang.
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Woody Allen's been doing this for years. "Stardust Memories" is more than a little like "Eight And A Half", "Another Woman" is heavily endebted to "Wild Strawberries" and "A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy" owes a lot to "Smiles Of A Summer Night".



While we're on the subject of Bergman, what about "Last House On The Left" and "The Virgin Spring".

As for the "Vanilla Sky" / "Jacob's Ladder" debate, both of them take their major plot point from "An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge".

De Palma's "Obsession" is a variation on "Vertigo", "Dressed To Kill" owes a major debt to "Psycho" (if not as major as some have claimed) and "Raising Cain" steals from all over the place, notably from several Argento movies.

"A Perfect Murder" is an acknowledged remake of "Dial M", based on the stage play by Frederick Knott.

But there are very few original ideas in the world anyway. Not all films can reference previous cultural icons with the wit of "Holiday On The Buses", where Olive's falling in the water is clearly a reference to the tragic drowning of Ophelia", while the nurse's simultaneous sexual affaires with Blakey and Stan remind us of Gertrude's adultery with her husband's brother.
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As for the "Vanilla Sky" / "Jacob's Ladder" debate, both of them take their major plot point from "An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge".

That's the one I was thinking of
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...well... there you go again... Occurrence At Owl Creek was actually filmed twice: once as a 1959 episode of the US TV series The Twilight Zone, and again in France: Robert Enrico's 1962 short (28 minutes) titled La Rivière du hibou... - - - and both were adapted from a story by Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914[?])...

...incidentally, MGM's 1959 Ben-Hur was a remake of that studio's 1925 Ben-Hur - A Tale Of The Christ, just as MGM's 1962 Mutiny On The Bounty was a retread of their - arguably better - 1935 version... and Hitchcock remade his own 1934 The Man Who Knew Too Much in 1956... and...

...on and on and on...

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