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Old 03-11-2019, 16:43   #3581
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Mind games from Pep have started early I see with him, of all ******* people, accusing Mane of being a diver. If he is, he's just been taking lessons from KdB and Sterling.

I won't hold my breath waiting for a disrepute charge against him though.
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Old 03-11-2019, 16:47   #3582
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That used to be the rule, but just like attacking handball they seem to have tried to make it black and white just for VAR.
There have been no changes in the offside rule recently net alone any change just for VARs benefit.

I don't even recall any 'daylight' version of the rule ... it has always been AFAIK about parts of the body you can play the ball with. Which makes the Premier League's tweet about Bobby's "armpit" being offside since it is impossible to play the ball with an armpit without it being penalised for handball.
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Old 03-11-2019, 17:09   #3583
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Mind games from Pep have started early I see with him, of all ******* people, accusing Mane of being a diver. If he is, he's just been taking lessons from KdB and Sterling.

I won't hold my breath waiting for a disrepute charge against him though.
Didn't Mane get booked for diving yesterday?
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Old 03-11-2019, 17:13   #3584
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Didn't Mane get booked for diving yesterday?
He did ... despite replays clearly showing he was tripped/had his foot trod on
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He went down like he had been shot
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Old 03-11-2019, 18:06   #3586
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He went down like he had been shot
Totally irrelevant ... when you are tripped, like he clearly was, it can not be a dive

Unless John Moss is the ref.
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He clearly was? It was more of a penalty at Sheffield the other week and it was hardly mentioned.
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He clearly was? It was more of a penalty at Sheffield the other week and it was hardly mentioned.
The only ones who I have heard calling it a dive are Moss and Shearer. The commentators on my stream both stated that he is clearly tripped.

Incidentally, I see Atkinson ( the cheating VAR from yesterday ) is having another mare today as well. **** at OT the other week, **** yesterday and misses a blatant penalty and incorrectly sends off Son [ he was going to book him but then sees the state of Gomes' ankle and changes the card to a red ] today. The man needs sacking off ASAP.
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Old 03-11-2019, 23:24   #3589
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Well you could argue that it should have been a second yellow for Son, because he should have been booked for diving
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Old 04-11-2019, 07:19   #3590
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Totally irrelevant ... when you are tripped, like he clearly was, it can not be a dive

Unless John Moss is the ref.

This is not true. Contact does not mean it’s a foul, and does not give ‘licence to go down’, despite what the ex-pros say.

It looked to me like he was trying to buy a penalty.
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Old 04-11-2019, 07:21   #3591
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The premier league statement about the Son red card is an utter joke, as is VAR and Atkinson generally.
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Old 04-11-2019, 07:36   #3592
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The premier league statement about the Son red card is an utter joke, as is VAR and Atkinson generally.
VAR is absolutely fine ... it is the people in charge of using it that are cheats and corrupt.

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Old 04-11-2019, 09:51   #3593
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I’ll grant you incompetent, but there is no evidence to suggest cheating and corruption.
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I’ll grant you incompetent, but there is no evidence to suggest cheating and corruption.
Atkinson's actions, as the VAR, for Bobby's disallowed goal is all the evidence you need.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:19   #3595
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No, that’s a marginal, bad decision.
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Old 04-11-2019, 17:10   #3596
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That offside is nonsense, and these tight offsides are really not sitting right with me now.

It doesn't even look offside to me. The line on Girmino's shoulder seems not quite properly vertical and my eyes and brain is telling me he's at least level.
If you extend the red and blue lines using a ruler, or similar straight edge, you can see it is "clear and obvious" that they are not parallel. This is because the red line is sloping towards goal and the blue is if anything sloping away.
Unless an FA expert comes out with a thorough explanation of how parallel lines are not a part of the physics of VAR, then it certainly appears that it's been manipulated to make sure it look like Firmino is ahead of the defender
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No, that’s a marginal, bad decision.
You believe what you want. But Atkinson manipulated and redrew the lines when they initially showed that Bobby was clearly onside. Admittedly, he was not helped by a linesman - who was not even up with play and against all current protocols - raised his flag.

VAR is currently being used to cover the arses of the on pitch officials even when they are clearly wrong. It is supposed to help correct wrong decisions. What did people expect when Riley decided England would use VAR in a way that is completely different to how everyone else uses it.

Somehow Atkinson has been given a game at the weekend but, thankfully, he is not involved in anyway on Sunday.
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:47   #3598
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I think you have a point about manipulating the lines. The VAR officials are not really independent, they are from the same pool of officials that make up the refs and linesmen, and as such I suspect there are certainly some amongst that group who have a misguided view to back up their colleagues decisions if at all possible - so as not to make them look bad. Ironically, this then makes the VAR system itself seem inept.

When there was no VAR you could understand the human error factor with a poor offside decision - you may not have liked it but the imperfection was part of the game. Example being the Torreria offside goal in the League Cup, fortunately we won anyway but if not we'd have just moaned about a crap offside decision but accepted there's nothing you can do without a review. With VAR in place it is supposed to take the doubt away, particularly for "line calls" like offside, but the way it is implemented in England is just off so all this doubt is magnified because there should be no arguments.

I've seen there's some chatter about discussions for managers appeals, but that's pointless IMO when VAR is just going to back up the on field decision anyway. If it would take something blatant for a managers appeal to overturn a decision then VAR should be picking it up regardless
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Manager appeals would a disastrous move IMHO. It wouldn't take long for the masters of the unpunished "tactical foul", Man City, to realise you could use an appeal simply to stop a counter attack.

The problem is PL refs are too arrogant to think they are infallible. They need to start treating the VAR as another assistant ( similar to a linesman ) whose sole aim is to help all the officials, for a game, as a group come to the correct decision. VAR does not exist to either (a) publicly show how incompetent the on pitch ref is or (b) backup an incorrect decision and the sooner the PGMOL realise, and enforce that the better.

There was a clip I found last night - that I had never seen before - where Sky prove that Atkinson can not possibly have seen the foul on Origi at OT but the current process doesn't allow the VAR, who did see it, to overrule or even suggest that the monitor is checked.

My worry is that VAR will be ditched with the PGMOL claiming it doesn't work when the actual truth is that VAR works fine it is just the PGMOL not using it properly
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Old 05-11-2019, 15:58   #3600
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How about they just use VAR when the ref requests it basically like rugby union....ref is unsure of a foul or offside. Stops the game and asks for VAR? I watched one game last week, goal awarded, everyone back in the centre circle for restart and then VAR came up with a foul or something, goal disallowed back for a free kick. Ridiculous situation.
If there is serious foul play the ref has missed then VAR could inform the ref what’s occurred and it’s his decision to play advantage, stop play for free kick etc or book player etc at nice break in play
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