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Old 02-05-2018, 20:48   #2221
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If you want pro Liverpool commentary, listen to Alan Green. You can almost hear him playing with himself while watching.

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Old 02-05-2018, 20:58   #2222
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By the way ... can we stop bringing on Klavan with 10 minutes to go please? Cos it clearly doesn't work.

Bobby's and Mo's worst game all season for me as well
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Old 02-05-2018, 21:32   #2223
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Old 02-05-2018, 21:40   #2224
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By the way ... can we stop bringing on Klavan with 10 minutes to go please? Cos it clearly doesn't work.
^^This^^

Hoddle was harping on about doing it from the middle of the second half, so you know it's a crap idea

I don't think it's a coincidence that every time we take that defensive measure then the other team lays siege to our goal. How many goals have we conceded in the last 10 minutes recently doing just that?
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Old 02-05-2018, 21:44   #2225
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Karius is a pants keeper. A liability.
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Old 02-05-2018, 23:22   #2226
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A ballot will take place for Season Ticket Holders, Official Members and Fan Card holders who have attended six Champions League matches during the 2017-18 season.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT ANY REMAINING TICKETS AVAILABLE FOR THE BALLOT WILL CONSIST OF THE HIGHER PRICED CATEGORIES.
So ACS members who just attended the 6 CL home games have a chance of being able to pay at least 220 quid for a restricted view seat.

LOL - no thanks LFC, I'd rather spend the ticket/travel/hotel money on renewing my season ticket (and getting about 200 quid change as well)

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Old 02-05-2018, 23:46   #2227
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I doubt LFC have anything to do with the pricing.i qualify for the ballot as well but won't be bothering.tok much expense.

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Old 02-05-2018, 23:55   #2228
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I doubt LFC have anything to do with the pricing.i qualify for the ballot as well but won't be bothering.tok much expense.
True - but LFC don't help with the legacy PRHs getting first dibs without having to go a single CL games

And looking into hotel/flight prices further ... I think my 200 quid change is actually closer to over a grand; so that's near enough 3 years worth of ST renewals
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Aside from a massively suspect penalty, there were still nerve shredding signs that we were on the verge of hanging on. When you look at the aggregate score it shows how close we came to going out...

Last night showed that if a team goes all out to score four against us they can, which reinforces the need to do some defensive business in the summer, probably primarily for a keeper.

I also can't help notice that Lovren is involved in almost every screw up in some way or another...
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Old 03-05-2018, 08:49   #2230
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Aside from a massively suspect penalty, there were still nerve shredding signs that we were on the verge of hanging on. When you look at the aggregate score it shows how close we came to going out...

Last night showed that if a team goes all out to score four against us they can, which reinforces the need to do some defensive business in the summer, probably primarily for a keeper.

I also can't help notice that Lovren is involved in almost every screw up in some way or another...
Your'e in the CL final . Just enjoy that fact.
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First goal was a fluke, second a mistake from TAA, third was an amazing strike and the fourth a dodgy pen. 2-2 would’ve been about right on the night.

I thought Karius did well last night on the whole, although he should have pushed the second further away. Lovren is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Old 03-05-2018, 09:56   #2232
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Aside from a massively suspect penalty, there were still nerve shredding signs that we were on the verge of hanging on. When you look at the aggregate score it shows how close we came to going out...

Last night showed that if a team goes all out to score four against us they can, which reinforces the need to do some defensive business in the summer, probably primarily for a keeper.

I also can't help notice that Lovren is involved in almost every screw up in some way or another...
It's a fairly unlikely scenario in most games though isn't it? At the end of the day Roma had one chance to go through, massively outscore you and win by 4 clear goals. Even in cup games it doesn't happen all that often, goalies going up for corners, etc.

Your goal is a little different, to hang onto a decent lead.

Now probably the best strategy when they're throwing everything at you, is to also have a go at them, defensively vulnerable and another go would put the tie beyond any hope. But you also run the risk of conceding all the goals or getting close to it.

In most cases where they throw everything at a team, often a goal is scored at the other end. In reality I'd have thought the odds of conceding in such circumstances is greater than scoring.

But if you're Klopp, you've got to employ some strategy and with 30 mins to go, you've got to go with defend and hope they don't score enough. In a team where this isn't the natural strategy. It worked!

But in reality are Bournemouth going to do the same in the league?
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But in reality are Bournemouth going to do the same in the league?
I meant good teams In fairness Bournemouth did put four past us in 2016
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Old 03-05-2018, 10:39   #2234
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I meant good teams In fairness Bournemouth did put four past us in 2016
Well take Chelsea then (I guess you could say the same) but by trying to stick four past you in the league, they run the risk of losing and losing a point in a draw. Not the same for Roma.
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I don't think it's any coincidence that we can look pretty comfortable in games until the last 10 minutes or so (probably just after an extra defender has been brought on for one of our best players).
We start trying to defend in our penalty area rather than higher up the pitch and it's a surprise when we spend the rest of the game under siege
I don't buy that it's because the likes of Bobby, Mo and Mane get tired - it's not just against CL quality opponents, it's happened against West Brom and Everton as well!
If that was the case, then surely the logical approach to the final would be to start with 5 defenders and bring on the front three at half time, so they can run around for a maximum of around 75 minutes and we'd have our goalscorers on the pitch if it went to ET and penalties

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Old 03-05-2018, 12:04   #2236
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Aside from a massively suspect penalty, there were still nerve shredding signs that we were on the verge of hanging on. When you look at the aggregate score it shows how close we came to going out...

Last night showed that if a team goes all out to score four against us they can, which reinforces the need to do some defensive business in the summer, probably primarily for a keeper.

I also can't help notice that Lovren is involved in almost every screw up in some way or another...
Personally don't think it was that close at all.

Their first goal was a fluke, it was never a penalty ( or if it was we should have had 2/3 of our own ) and they should have been down to 10 men after that scissor kick tackle on Mane. Combine that with the just as dodgy penalty they got last week and the 7-6 aggregate scoreline flattered Roma; over a 180 minute game they were 1 goal away from taking it to extra time ( not winning ) for the last 5-10 seconds.
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I guess it's all the data analysis of football. If you're 1-0 up you're probably more likely to defend that lead if you park the bus, rather than trying to get a 2nd goal.

It's always been the case, I guess there was sound theory behind the long ball.
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Referee was poor for both sides.Dzeko wasn't offside when Karius brought him down and the TAA handball was a penalty
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Referee was poor for both sides.Dzeko wasn't offside
That's not the referee
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I know it's a hard job, with all the simulation and crap, but the quality of reffing is pretty naff.
The Djeko offside decision was the linesmans, so can't blame the ref, but from what I can remember just on other "penalty" incidents:
Push on Mane - was a clear cut penalty
El Sharaawy dive into TAA - not a penalty but should've been a booking
Handball by Nainggolan - not a penalty, but was pretty much identical to the Klavan one
TAA - penalty, the rules on "deliberate" seem to change every incident but I think he just didn't see it
Klavan - as much a penalty as the Nainggolan one was before it

So from 5 penalty incidents he had to make a call on, he probably got 3 wrong and missed a clear cut dive which should've been a booking. Supposedly one of the best refs in Europe!
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