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Old 01-11-2012, 13:05   #1
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Question Upgrading Windows Vista to Windows 7... Decided on Windows 8 - RESOLVED

I've finally had enough of my parent's laptop and Windows Vista. Almost threw the laptop out the window today!

The Windows Update is no longer working and brings up an error code. I've searched Google and the Microsoft website offers a few solutions to the error but neither of those work... I just get more error codes trying to install the Microsoft programme that's meant to fix it. Brilliant!

They suggest using the original Vista install disc but they only have the Dell Vista install disc and the option to upgrade, rather than clean install, isn't available.

So, I think it would be best if they upgrade to Windows 7.

I'm a Mac users and I'm not up-to-date with Windows. Can anyone help with what version I should buy? Windows 7 Home Premium? Windows 7 Upgrade?

How much should I look at spending?

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Old 01-11-2012, 13:13   #2
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Put windows 8 on it together with a replacement start button (I like Pokki). Currently £24.99 for the upgrade (see the Bargain Forum).
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Put windows 8 on it together with a replacement start button (I like Pokki). Currently £24.99 for the upgrade (see the Bargain Forum).
Thanks... but the thought of putting Windows 8 on my parents laptop scares me! They struggle as it is with Vista and the thought of something as new and unusual as Windows 8 will be a nightmare!

I'm struggling with Vista due to being a Mac/OSX user, so Windows 8 will be totally unusual to me and I won't be able to help them.

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Once you replace the start button, it's pretty much the same as vista/7 so they shouldn't have that much of a problem.
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Do you know if their laptop will have trouble running Windows 8?

Dell Inspiron 1525
Intel Core 2 Duo
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If it runs vista, it'll handle 7 or 8 with no problems. There's a compatibility tool that you download before purchasing the windows 8 upgrade which will tell you of any problems before you part with any cash anyway
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That will run Win 8 more comfortably than it will Vista. Win 8 is excellent, barring the Marmite interface. I dislike Metro, but I won't let it get in the way of enjoying the improvements Win 8 brings. Pressing Windows-D will always bring the desktop up, which is where I prefer to conduct my business. If you forget the Metro apps, simply consider the Metro screen as a giant, full screen Start Menu. Simply delete tiles from the interface which you don't want visible and confusing matters.
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You can still get a clean Vista image from Dell and Digital River http://en.community.dell.com/support...tal-river.aspx

Though as above I'd suggest going straight to 8 and using Classic Shell to give it that 7 feeling with the option of avoiding the tiles altogether if that's what you want. Vista is a dog of a OS Vs 7/8. 8 also has the advantage of being refreshed easily to a clean state if it ever gets terrible bit-rot at some-point.
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Currently using Windows 8 and quite like it!

My Dad has had a go and seems to have picked it up. Next step is my Mum, but she's too tired at the moment. Maybe tomorrow.

Just one issue I'm having, when my Dad tries to access Mail it asks for a Microsoft account login details. He doesn't have any and neither does my Mum.

They both have a BT Internet email and have been using Mail on Vista with no problems. I'm not sure why they can't now use Mail without having a Microsoft account?

I don't want to sign them up to another email address and account, considering they will only want to use their BT Internet email account.

Am I doing something wrong or is Microsoft forcing them to set up an account?

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it's using windows live. Just create an account with their email address and a password and set it to automatically login. It allowsw you to access contacts, calendars etc from different computers and the like and you don't need to create a hotmail account
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You can use a "local" account, just like the old days, or sign on with a "Microsoft" account, which is required in order to download apps from the MS Store. If they want to do everything the way they've always done it then just run with a local account. They can access their email as they have always done, whether through a web interface or an app such as Outlook.

Using a Microsoft account (Hotmail account to most of us) that will also allow preferences (e.g. desktop wallpaper) to be synchronised between multiple PCs and to backup or use Skydrive in the big wide intercloud. They are not compelled to use the Microsoft account for their regular email if they don't wish. Having the account is no more or less burdensome than having a logon and password to this website.

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Thanks for the replies.

So, to keep things simple for them,I should just look at using Outlook rather than Mail?

Can I download Outlook for Windows 8?

Being a Mac user I'm probably not as savy as some of you guys!

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EDIT: It looks like you have to buy Outlook 2010 and it's not a free download.
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Just another worry... have I now lost all of my parents saved emails and personal inbox folders that were setup in Mail on Vista?

That would be really annoying if that is the case!

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No idea about Mail. I used to use Outlook 2003 until a couple of months ago when I switched to accessing my email (Gmail) through my browser. My email is never lost. It sits on Google's servers unless I choose to delete it.
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apparently you could have dragged the mail to a folder then back into live mail according to this but if you've already upgraded then er oops.
Try clicking on options in windows live mail (first tab to left of home tab) select connections and stop signing in to stop the requests for a login
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It's a bit of a joke if they've now lost all of their filed emails just because of a OS update! The only warning from Microsoft was that they would lose any programmes that they installed, which is fine, I reinstalled Firefox, Open Office, etc. But Mail on Vista was a Microsoft programme and it should transfer all of their files across to the new version.

Does anyone know where to look to recover the actual files from the hard drive... if Windows 8 hasn't just deleted them?

That will teach me to tell my parents to file emails rather than to keep them all in their inbox.

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Naturally before an exercise such as this you ensure you have a full backup - don't you?

I do. OS and programs on C: and all data on the D: drive, which is backed up to an external USB drive. It makes (re)installing operating systems a trauma free exercise. If I care about the OS partition prior to replacing it I'll create a partition image copy with Ghost and stick that onto the D: drive and then onto the USB drive too. Where programs are stupid enough to integrate their data into the C: drive I dig it out and copy it (or reconfigure the programs) so that I have that data on the D: drive as well. I don't recall ever having lost any data that I cared about and couldn't restore.
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Hmm see here. Download this self extracting file which contains the folder and see if it will pick up the original folders.
I'll delete it when you reply
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Thanks. I'm back home now on my Mac, but I'm back at my parents tomorrow.

I've been searching the internet and have found a few things to try:

http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...-my-softw.html

Windows.old folder?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...de-windows-old

I'm going to try searching for the actual email files...

C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windo ws Mail

It's a bit frustrating that I'm at home now, but I'll get to theirs tomorrow with a clear head (currently very tired and have a head ache).

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EDIT: And this: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...1-c0f3daaadb68
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Thanks for the help!

I've got their emails working and have all of their inbox emails and folders.

All I did in the end was to download Windows Live Essentials:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...other-programs

Then just installed the Mail programme. It needed to download a few other little files but once Mail was installed I just added it to the Desktop and Metro and it installed all of their account details and files.

I've deleted the Metro Mail tile from the Metro screen. That version of the programme seems to need a Microsoft account.

So, everything seems to be okay and easy for them to use.

thanks again for the help... I could probably do with some pointers on how to create a USB bootable backup of their system and files... a bit like TimeMachine on a Mac... is that possible?

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