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Old 22-08-2018, 21:21   #161
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Well, I never want to shoot down or poo poo any graphics advancement.
Far from it, I adore improvements, and I know just how faked and manipulated what you see on screen is, in an attempt to keep frame rates up.
Limiting distances, fake scenery, changing 3D models dependent on distance.
Hell I even do a bit of that myself, making 3 models for 1 item that changes at a distance and I've used the trick of flipping in a flat texture to replace the 3D model at a distance you hope won't be too much noticed.

All that said, the fake/work arounds, and let's say, approximated shadows, etc etc, do a pretty dam good job to please the human eye in normal gaming.
I'd suggest (wild guess) we need a LOT more power that these cards will offer to really make that much of a visual noticeable difference in a typical game.

Gut feeling is, give it another 2, 3 or 4 generations, and then we can have in the home what we'd hope to see now, or what Nvidia can do now as a tech demo by throwing a mass of unaffordable hardware at something.

When you hit Ł1000+ for a graphics card for the consumer? it's getting a lot to ask.
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Old 23-08-2018, 05:56   #162
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They've released some performance figures. Claiming 50% boost in old school work meaning the 2080 non-TI will do 4k at 60fps.
With considerably larger boosts in games that add DLSS/AI support. Final Fantasy XV and Tomb Raider apparently get a 75% boost from that.

But yeah, since the 10 series is already more than good enough for non-4k, for the majority of people the ray tracing performance is gonna be the decider.
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Old 23-08-2018, 07:01   #163
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They'll still sell a truck load but I've held off upgrading a 970 to a 10 series for the best part of a year due to the prices so these new cards have been struck off my want list straight away based on the pricing. Very greedy on Nvidia's part. Let's hope Intel/AMD can at least offer something semi-competitive to even things out a bit.
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Old 23-08-2018, 09:09   #164
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Almost overnight there seems to have been more info coming form Nvidia after a bit of a, backlash probably too strong a word across the net.
The fault seems to have been their long drawn out presentation, speaking of raytracing and all that and not saying anything about how much faster for normal games than the last gen.
Seems they have responded to the quick to grow negativity be showing off some number now.
However, slightly muddied the waters saying despite going on about Raytracing and calling them RTX the R does not stand for raytracing.

Methinks they could have handled the event and the info a tad better.
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Old 23-08-2018, 09:37   #165
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They'll still sell a truck load but I've held off upgrading a 970 to a 10 series for the best part of a year due to the prices so these new cards have been struck off my want list straight away based on the pricing. Very greedy on Nvidia's part. Let's hope Intel/AMD can at least offer something semi-competitive to even things out a bit.
blame crypto miners.
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Old 24-08-2018, 00:37   #166
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Isn't the whole "new generation of graphics cards" opening the doors to 4K@60fps just a wild goose chase to begin with? I mean, sure it'll do that for old games, but games developers will just push the technology to breaking point for their upcoming games and we'll see the same old performance crashes just with more spectular graphics.

I can say that as a 1080p only gamer it's already an common myth that any graphics card ever made can play any game at 1080p/60fps without frame-rate dropping frustration at some point. There's just so much half-arsed review ******** out there when it comes to reports on actual gaming performance with soooooo many games developers not getting enough flak for badly optimised games.
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Old 24-08-2018, 04:59   #167
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Any game in particular? I've never felt my 1080 couldn't cope with 60fps. Like I said, I wasn't even considering an 11 series because the 1080 is *so* overpowered. To the point it rarely has to even turn its fan on when I'm limiting to 60!

Games can drop frames due to things other than GPU power. Storage bottlenecks being a fairly common contributor for instance.
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Old 24-08-2018, 06:59   #168
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I've not read that every graphics card can play every game at 1080p 60fps these days. I'd expect with some tweaking to the game settings you probably could do it if that's what you mean. But to play at max settings for every game, you'd need a upper mid level card I'd expect.
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Old 24-08-2018, 07:02   #169
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Eurogamer like to comment regularly how 1080p60 is easy these days for most cards.
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Old 24-08-2018, 12:22   #170
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The 1070 and 1080 ought to. I can't imagine anything lesser than those though...
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Old 24-08-2018, 15:20   #171
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Eurogamer like to comment regularly how 1080p60 is easy these days for most cards.
Interesting. All I can find is an article from 2 years ago where they compare performance at 1080p and find that GTX1060 struggled to keep a constant 60fps at ultra settings. They recommended a 1070 to be sure (which they reckoned would be sub Ł200 a year later!). Not a site I'd be using for performance analysis personally.
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Old 24-08-2018, 16:22   #172
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Yeah a 1060 won't do it. The 1070 is a huge leap up from that and should do it. But it's also a huge leap in price.
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1060 should be about a 970 in performance. I can't see any serious gaming site stating that 1080p60f is easy for any graphics card for every game.
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It is for the 1070 and 1080

I mean short of a **** port. You can't do anything with a **** port. But like I said, my 1080 rarely even has to turn its fan on to game on my old old 1200p 60hz screen. And with the 24th largest Steam collection in the UK - I bet i've run more games on it than most serious gaming sites lol.

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Old 24-08-2018, 17:36   #175
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I don’t think you can ever say that a card will run everything at 1080/60 with EVERYTHING at max because the developers will add something (an effect, a texture res boost, a higher draw distance etc) that’ll slow things down. Older games might but even they sometimes get a patch which will do the same.
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*shrug* I just whack every new release on ultra. I'll continue happily gaming at 60fps whilst you guys don't believe it possible.
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Can my PC be a new console beater ( was previously Tweak my PC)

Crysis?
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*shrug* I just whack every new release on ultra. I'll continue happily gaming at 60fps whilst you guys don't believe it possible.
Yeah, but I'm arguing that *any* card can't play *every* game at 1080p60f which is what was stated. My 1070 handles pretty much everything I throw at it, but I'd expect it to, more so with your 1080. I'd not expect a GT710 to match it. There is more to it than just graphics cards though; BF1 struggled on occasion to keep over 60fps for me until I replaced my 4770k with an 8600k.
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Ok. I see. I think I was disputing Shingsters claim that no card can do this. And then accidentally ended up disputing your claim that *any* card can do this whilst also agreeing with you that only selected cards can do this lol.

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Crysis?
I was hoping for a more challenging suggestion than one whose latest release is 5 years old.
A google says a 1080 will do that at 112fps

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Old 25-08-2018, 14:21   #180
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My monitor is 75hz and my 1070 can lock that all day long at 1080P maxed on about 90% of titles unless it's a garbage port or it's on a HDD that's throwing a spasm (SSD really helps)
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