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Old 25-08-2018, 16:34   #181
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I think Linus had it about right.
Nvidia are being very quiet about real speed increases over the current gen, and we are probably looking at 10% to 20% in reality.

They are pushing the new Ray Tracing side of it, but games will have to be developed to take advantage of this.

In reality, it will be the NEXT gen of cards (2090?) that will see this really be worth it.
Bu then the games will be out, and the next gen of cards will be able to actually perform well with the ray tracing stuff.

We are at Mark v1 now, which is fine, but it's going to be a long slow plod till it really starts becoming what it should be in the future.
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Old 25-08-2018, 16:43   #182
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Umm... they already released the speed increases over the current gen in reaction to everyone questioning the lack of them. We even posted them a page or two back. Linus isn't exactly unbiased when it comes to Nvidia.

If it was called 2090 - it would be this gen.

But yeah, I doubt you're going to see 60fps ray tracing in the first generation card.

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Old 25-08-2018, 16:47   #183
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Mind you... as we've largely spent the past page deciding that this gen is fast enough... the newer one doesn't really need to be faster. It just needed the shiny new feature. Which it has.

Though it obviously needs to be faster to make the shiny new feature fast enough.

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Old 25-08-2018, 16:56   #184
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There is just something a bit off right now.
We're going to have to wait till real cards get in real people's hands to get real numbers.

This 50% and 100% spin is not going to happen, everyone's pretty sure of that.
It would be lovely if, as per past cards, the lowest card tops the last best card.

We shall see of course.

Only think I can say myself is, the slightly better lighting/shadows in the demo's I've seen, is not exactly a OMG must have. Unlike the difference Tessellation brought to the table which really was night and day difference.

I have a 1080 right now, and A cheap Ti might be worthwhile so I can weather these cards out till the next gen, when all will be in place software wise and the following cards will be able to actually give us these new visuals at good frame rates.

Other aspects of games like really bad mouth/speech stuff is way more in your face than the shadow being improved IMHO.
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Old 25-08-2018, 17:16   #185
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'slightly' better. have you seen the BF5 on/off comparison video?

Mind you there's a distinct element of not knowing what you've been missing until now. I never even noticed that z culling nuked reflections before ray tracing. It's probably going to ruin my life now lol

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Old 25-08-2018, 19:31   #186
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Any game in particular?
Fallout 4 (can drop down to 5fps at times during base invasions), Bioshock Infinite (shadows don't work right on Nvidia cards, throttles framerate in places). Witcher 2, Witcher 3, every Assassins Creed game since Unity, the last two or three Batman games, Shadow of War, etc, etc. Older games won't do 60fps because of incompatiblity with newer hardware, etc, etc.

I have never played a game that doesn't suffer from periodic frame rate drops in 1080p. Either the games are badly optimised or they're too old, or they don't play well with Nvidia or Radeon cards. There's always something. Sure you can run the game at 1080p 60fps no probs, but sooner or later you are guaranteed to encounter choppy frame rates.

Current card is a 980ti.
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Old 25-08-2018, 19:46   #187
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I can't speak for Fallout 4 base invasions. But I think I disagree with every other game you've named there. I can even do nvidia gameworks in arkham knight - which surprised even me. (Though i did say that **** ports don't count. )

Mind you... I do have a pretty hefty CPU. Are you lacking in CPU to back the video card up with? Newer AC's in particularly needs some serious CPU.

If you;re having trouble keeping old games smooth, you may have to disable some HID compliant device drivers

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Old 26-08-2018, 06:35   #188
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i7 4770k. I'm really sensitive to frame judder though so I will absolutely spot every little drop in framerate no matter how minor. I think most gamers simply don't notice when their framerate has dropped a few fps. There's absolutely no way in hell anyone has ever played Fallout 4 on PC without framerate issues at some point (and not just in base invasions, they just introdce the biggest drops). I don't care how high the specs a PC can have, Fallout is just flat out borked. Every other game I research thoroughly the games I play when framerate drops occur and it often is still an issue for people on high end cards like Titan X and high end CPU because it's not a matter of grunt performance but the games either not working with a specific graphics card manufacturer or simply not utilising the actual graphics processor.

Almost every game I listed above didn't even push my graphics card hard. Tomb Raider is the one game that I know took full advantage of my GPU, and while there were still the odd instances of FPS drops, for 99% of the time it ran smooth as silk. Cut to Fallout, which never made my GPU sweat a drop and I'm getting flip-book frame rates and the game in general looks like **** in this era.

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Old 26-08-2018, 07:10   #189
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You sound like an ideal candidate for G Sync.
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Old 26-08-2018, 23:19   #190
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I use a projector! Might be why I'm so sensitive to frame-rate drops tbh because there's no processing guff going on with my display, just a bigass screen showing everything. I have been considering switching to PC monitor play with g-sync though!
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Better than I expected with traditional rendering above 1080P although still seems to lack the headroom at 4K for future titles, RTX and DLSS testing not possible however...

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Old 19-09-2018, 14:13   #192
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I'm just going to get a 1080/1080 ti once the prices drop a bit, I don't care about anything above 1080p and there's no way I'm paying those kind of prices for any of the 20xx cards let alone over a grand for the ti. Absolutely ridiculous on Nvidia's part but sadly a lot of people will flock out and buy like the iPhones and Nvidia will feel justified in pricing the way they have.
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If it can ray trace at 60fps (I doubt it!) at 1440. I'd pay a grand for that

My most expensive phone ever is £230 but I don't use my phone much. Whereas I game a lot so the best gear is worth it to me.
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If it can ray trace at 60fps (I doubt it!) at 1440. I'd pay a grand for that

My most expensive phone ever is £230 but I don't use my phone much. Whereas I game a lot so the best gear is worth it to me.
That Star Wars Demo Scene can barely hold 50Fps to 40Fps at 1440P

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If it can ray trace at 60fps (I doubt it!) at 1440. I'd pay a grand for that

My most expensive phone ever is £230 but I don't use my phone much. Whereas I game a lot so the best gear is worth it to me.
I bet those 2D indie games would look great
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Old 20-09-2018, 16:27   #196
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it is arguable that a g-sync monitor and 1080 is somewhat wasted on me lol.
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I love the idea of these new cards, but for myself with my 1080 I can't see much of a benefit.
It feels a little like an Apple 1st gen product. Great tech, but high priced and not much can take advantage. Wait till next version. By then, they will have added in the bits they wanted to on this version but did not have the time (things not ready) and the software will be then all be in place to make the most of it.

I could be talking rubbish of course
It's just feeling very 1st gen, and whilst the lighting effects are nice, the cards are really being pushed hard to deliver the visuals.

That said, I suppose the real test is, how this really affects actual game-play.
When you are actually playing games with this new lighting, is it such an enhanced visual experience that you'd never wish to go back.
Or is it more alone the lines of, when you are actually moving around, actually playing a game, looking at "what's going on" in the game, it's such a subtle effect that it's not really adding that much.

I'm speaking of course about actually playing the game, as opposed to simply looking and admiring a scene in a game.

All that said, I love graphics advancement and always will, it's just a question of cost vs how much difference it really makes in reality to your enjoyment
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Pretty much agree. The 2080 is the same speed at the 1080Ti but costs £100 more. The new tech looks interesting but the support isn't there yet. It might never come a la Physx. I this generation is one to skip.
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AMD need to pull something out of the bag...
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So the 2070 comes in at a starting price of £459 and the founders edition at £549.

By contrast my 1070 cost £329 in April 2017.
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