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Old 26-04-2008, 06:58   #21
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As a UK PS3 owner. I'm keen to know aswell. Would love to get S2 of Heroes
Heroes S2 is going to be Universal's first international date matched Blu Ray release, so all you'll have to worry about is paying an absurd amount of moolah if they DO region code...
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Old 26-04-2008, 10:07   #22
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Warner could have just ported the HD DVD version over, that's the point. They went a step further and did a new transfer or new encode. No reason why Universal can't do the same with their releases
you are obviously missing the point.
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Old 27-04-2008, 00:30   #23
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you are obviously missing the point.
care to explain it then, it's pretty clear TBH
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Old 27-04-2008, 01:14   #24
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care to explain it then, it's pretty clear TBH
You are comparing an SD feature, which everyone was disappointed wasn't in HD in the first place. With "already done" HD versions. Universal might do it or might not, who knows. Most likely they'll put the catalogue releases out on 25GB discs and save themselves a substantial amount of cash.
Using the Animatrix as an example for this just doesn't make sense, it's a special case. Firstly, improving that part of the set differentiates the HD DVD and Blu-Ray versions, good for marketing purposes. Secondly it's a solid enough improvement for HD DVD -> Blu-Ray switchers to buy the set again.
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Old 28-04-2008, 14:00   #25
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I see no reason why it's a special case. If Warner can redo The Animatrix then there's no reason why others can't do the same. Not to say they will, but they can
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Old 28-04-2008, 15:40   #26
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thanks scoobydoo for explaining If its an SD master then yes can see the merit for the obvious BD release down the line. If a good quality HD master exists already (as in the case of HD-DVD studio releases so far) then the same master will be used. it's a no-brainer..
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I see no reason why it's a special case.
Because the animatrix was released in Standard Definition.
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Because the animatrix was released in Standard Definition.
Ok, but they went back and redid it. Yes, most of the time they will use the existing transfer because they can get away with it but in terms of audio it should be a lot simpler. Presumably they have high quality masters that they used to create the lower quality ones on HD DVD
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Presumably they have high quality masters that they used to create the lower quality ones on HD DVD
wtf?

I do not have the set but prett sure the SD Animatrix in the HD-DVD set was a normal DVD anyway (much like the extras in the Blade Runner set)

has the original point sunk in yet though? the fact that the Animatrix in the HD-DVD set was SD and not HD and hence the decision to re-encode....

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Yes, the disc of the Animatrix that is included in the HD DVD set is NOT an HD DVD disc, but a standard region free DVD. They are simply releasing the Animatrix on Blu Ray, in HD for the first time. To clear up the arguments.
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will the Animatrix be available on its own on BD?
I've got the HDDVD Matrix set and don't feel the need to upgrade again to the BD, so I'd quite like to get a BD of the Animatrix on its own
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has the original point sunk in yet though? the fact that the Animatrix in the HD-DVD set was SD and not HD and hence the decision to re-encode....
Like I say, if they can do that so can universal for titles with poor quality A/V. It would probably cost the same or less. I acknowledged before that Animatrix was SD, the question has always been whether Universal also rectify some of their mistakes in the BD version
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nice backtracking
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Ok, but they went back and redid it. Yes, most of the time they will use the existing transfer because they can get away with it but in terms of audio it should be a lot simpler. Presumably they have high quality masters that they used to create the lower quality ones on HD DVD
I doubt they'll redo anything. I'll tell you why.

Universals releases which were lacking in picture quality were really only catalogue releases. Any lacking PQ in Heroes or Galactica is due to the fact that they are TV shows, and the quality of HD encodes probably exceeds the post production quality they were working in.
Semi recent masters within the last 5 years are probably going to be at worst 1080i (ish). But older, lower budget titles could be in the uncompressed 480p/720p (lots of 720p)... eg Mallrats, Tremors. So unless the film went into a digital intermediate stage (like Hulk, even the Frighteners - both look great) and a well made 2K master exists, by the film makers themselves back in the day, it's going to be a big chunk of change to redo the master from the original film

The process of remastering requires.... Firstly, taking a good few months over this, a team would need to be put together to run the project. They would have to hunt out all the footage, best case, maybe they'll get lucky and find a suitable negative or positive that's the complete cut sitting in a Universal vault. Then they'll have to hunt out the audio tapes, could be sitting on the same shelf, might be in any one of countless locations which these things end up in. Then they'll need to get the film scanned, which for film that is brand new off the film set (that day) costs about $10,000.. if it's archived, has degraded and needs cleaning up, the cost might go up a good amount. Then that'll need digital post-processing for line and dust, scratch removal, maybe some colour correction (that might need some input from the original DP... who will want paying). If they want to clean out some suspect effects shots then they'll have to find all the footage for that, clean it, scan it, get it digitally re-composited, matched back up with the film (different film stock stored in a different place could have degraded completely differently). Then you have to get the audio mixed back together, maybe some of the score needs re-recording. All this time you'll need to get things signed off by the original production company and/or director. All those stages done at different departments or companies, all requiring invoices and quotes... All that work and money.... for Tremors??? Or Mallrats??? Not going to happen. They won't get their money back.


What other movies had bad transfers?

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You missed the point completely.

The query was whether or not Universal will:-
A. Make new encodes from the SAME EXISTING masters that were utilised for the HD-DVDs, taking advantage of the extra space offered by Dual-layer Blu-ray discs (50GB vs. DL HD-DVD's 30GB). Eg. Perhaps encode the audio a into lossless format.
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B. Just use the existing encodes utilised for the HD-DVDs and slap them onto single-layered BDs.

Also RE: Antimatrix. Who's to say that Warner didn't have a HD master already lying around of that production? Perhaps they regarded said anthology as "Supplemental Material" and figured that SD transfers would be good enough?

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Old 01-05-2008, 14:20   #36
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whooooshhh

The answer is B.

And the Animatrix did not have a HD master anywhere hence the decision to now do it.

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Well, Universal have apparently announced that they will be turning to DTS-HD MA as their lossless audio of choice, and some catalogue titles (e.g. the Mummy movies) will be getting said upgrade.

Looks like Universal might take this Blu thing seriously after all.
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Well, Universal have apparently announced that they will be turning to DTS-HD MA as their lossless audio of choice, and some catalogue titles (e.g. the Mummy movies) will be getting said upgrade.

Looks like Universal might take this Blu thing seriously after all.
Source link please.
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Source link please.
Yes, sir!

http://www.themanroom.com/news/Exclu...dio_Plans/2651
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Cheers bro, good news indeed if this is true.

At this point I'd still be cynical/pessimistic though.
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