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Old 12-07-2007, 11:43   #1
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Oscar Pistorius - Blade Runner

Anyone else following the battle between the IAAF & Pistorius?

Details here http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/6292786.stm

It will be an utter joke if they ban him from competing with able bodied athletes. I can;t imagine many other people will be keen to go through what he has so he can get some technological 'benefit'.
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Old 12-07-2007, 11:46   #2
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as long as he qualifies for the races and doesnt get in by being a novelty.
His times wouldnt put him anywhere near the important races
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Old 12-07-2007, 11:47   #3
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as long as he qualifies for the races and doesnt get in by being a novelty.
His times wouldnt put him anywhere near the important races

Agreed completely.
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Old 13-07-2007, 07:26   #4
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I believe he's going to be competing in Sheffield this weekend - I have tickets so will be interesting to see him up close.
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Blade runner should be banned

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/6292786.stm

So he came in last but still wants to compete in the olympics and will take the IAAF to court if they dont allow it. The way I see it if he was running on normal artificial limbs it would take him ages. The more developed his limbs get the better his times are going to get. They will never be able to guarantee that the blades exactly match the times he would have got if not an amputee so he should be banned.
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Old 16-07-2007, 09:00   #6
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I watched him run last night, and on the replays, it was clear that he was not pumping his legs as fast as the able-bodied runners, and yet was still there or there abouts, even if he did come last. Fair enough, i don't know anything about the mechanics of a double amputee running, but those blades have got to give him an advantage. For a start they are 'springy' ...
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Old 16-07-2007, 09:08   #7
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but those blades have got to give him an advantage. For a start they are 'springy' ...
Exactly, what I've been thinking...

Normal achilles aren't that springy and can't make such long strides...

By the fact that he's effectively bouncing he's got to be getting an advantage. Only bit where he'll be slower will be on bends as he'll be struggling not to bounce out his lane...

He doesn't throretically have to expend so much energy in 'running' which seemed to be borne out by the fact that he finished a lot stronger than he started, and he started catching up.
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*cough*

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Old 16-07-2007, 11:04   #9
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I'm not sure we should be so ready to ban him, but I think this is certainly something that needs a thorough biometric study. He may well gain some advantage through the blades, but he's certainly at a disadvantage in that he has no muscles below the knee I guess it's kind of like comparing the action of a dog running to that of a cat

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Old 16-07-2007, 11:17   #10
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On a basic level is it right that he should be able to use them when, unlike other competitors, he can't 'injure' his blades, no cramps, no calf strains - it's not like he has to warm them up! If he is slow then he shouldn't be invited to compete irrespective of his blades.
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As already said, my objection I have is that unfortunately it can't easily be proven that he would be competing on equal terms with the other athletes.
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He's not competing on terms with other athetes! He has nothing below the knees! Humans are a long way away from coming up with any kind of replacement that will be anywhere near the quality of a working leg.

Let the boy keep running.
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Tricky one - I really respect the guy but it would be interesting to see how this would be taken if he was running the 2s quicker he needs to really compete.

I can't make my mind up - I've nothing but admiration for him but wonder how I would feel if I was a leading competitor and technology rather than his running alone was improving his times...

I think maybe the only way would be to analyse the strides and see if it comes within acceptable human levels, and to see if there is a 'spring' benefit. If there was no perceivable difference then why not.

One of the other issues raised was the lack of lactic acid in his legs, allowing him to keep speed until the end. To be honest I think it's harsh to knock him on these grounds as:
- he didn't choose not to have legs
- what would happen if someone had a medical condition which mimicked the above?

If they can prove there is no advantage - then all power to the guy, I wish him well.

One other thing tho - if he can't compete on time, I don't see he should expect any preferental treatment for track entry. The suggestion is that this was the csae yesterday, which could harm other athletes chances.
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He's not competing on terms with other athetes! He has nothing below the knees! Humans are a long way away from coming up with any kind of replacement that will be anywhere near the quality of a working leg.

Let the boy keep running.
Does he use the same blades for everyday life? While we can't design an all-purpose replacement as good as our legs yet I'd have thought its more likely they could design something that's better for going around a track. The danger is that you end up with guys using a set of running legs they replace every race.

As long as he is not found to have an unfair advantage he should be allowed to compete. Having him there is probably good for ratings anyway.
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How can they ever prove that he doesnt have an unfair advantage?
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If there weren't events such as the Para Olympics then I'd say let him compete but as there are competitions for physically handicapped athletes then he should be competeing there not against able bodied athletes where its difficult to tell if his blades give him an advantage or not.
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From what I caught on the news last night he has already competed in the para olympics and and won. He now wants to be able to compete in the olympics. Currently it doesn't look as though he is fast enough, but does raise the question of what aids, if any, should be allowed. If his blades are allowed why not someone in a wheelchair?
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Wasn't there a case where an able-bodied man wanted to enter the paralympics as a wheelchair athlete? AFAIK they didn't allow him.

The only way to tell if he's getting an advantage would be if an elite runner had to have their legs amputated and their times improved significantly using the new blades.

Alternatively, the IAAF could allow him to run and if any able-bodied athlete complains then point them in the direction of the nearest surgeon.
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