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Old 04-07-2008, 11:35   #1
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The Official(?) Film Camera Thread - Part 2

Original Thread - http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/s...d.php?t=451956

This isn't really a thread for pics as such, more for the discussion of film, film kit, techniques, analogue to digital transfer (i.e. scanning etc) useful links etc, in the manner of the Nikonian, Canonian and Olympian official threads.

Camera Info:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography...ledge_main.htm
(Great resource for the history and operating instructions of many popular film SLR systems)
Photoethnography.com
Lots of classic camera info, including discussions of medium format vs 35mm, and rangefinder vs SLR
The Rokkor Files
More than you ever wanted to know about Minolta's Cameras
Stephen Gandy's Personal Picks for the Best Nikon 35mm SLRs
Pentax LX Info and manuals for loads of Pentax models - http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography...axlx/index.htm
Really Really Really cheap camera info - http://www.merrillphoto.com/JunkStoreCameras.htm
Lots of random manuals - http://www.kyphoto.com/classics/instructionmanuals.html

Film and Film Handling
120 Rollfilm Basics
Develop your own Black and White
How to roll your own B&W film
Devlop your Own E6!
DIY B&W - film and developer combination examples

Flickr Links
I Shoot film - Plenty of info - just don't mention digital http://www.flickr.com/groups/ishootfilm/
Man in the White Suit - Film photos of/from the UK;
http://www.flickr.com/groups/ishootfilmuk/
I Shoot Fuji Film (specially for those of you using Fuji's products)
http://www.flickr.com/groups/ishootfuji/
120 - for your medium format masterpieces
http://www.flickr.com/groups/120/
Expired Film - for anything taken past it's sell by date
http://www.flickr.com/groups/expired/
Last Shot - for that end of roll filler;
http://www.flickr.com/groups/lastshot/
C41 Process B&W - for anything shot on Ilford Xp2, Kodak BW400CN or Fuji's one I can't remember the name of
http://www.flickr.com/groups/blackandwhitec41/


Processing Labs/Suppliers:
Labs:
Local is generally better, postage adds a lot on to the cost and a lot of delay
For 35mm C41 Tesco will process only (no prints) in store (if they have a lab) for 99p and scan to CD for 98p, and most times will do it in 30 mins or so while you shop.
For just about everything else http://www.peak-imaging.com/ have reasonable prices and fast turnaround. 120 and 35mm, E6, C41, Black and white.

Film
7DayShop
Mailshots Direct
Discount Films Direct

Film, Chemistry, darkroom thermometers etc
AG Photographic
Nova Darkroom Supplies


Kit:
Of course, eBay is your best bet. Rightly or wrongly everybody has abandoned film for digital, leaving SLR's, rangefinders and TLR's from all but the most sought after brands going for peanuts. SLR will be what most are after, Pentax, Minolta and Olympus are the cheaper major names, Generally you can get a nice SLR + 50mm prime for under 30 quid depending on conditon. Nikon and Canon command a bit of a premium, depending on the model.

General:
Silverlight.co.uk
Lots of tutorials, everything from choosing a film type to printing your own shots...

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Old 04-07-2008, 14:48   #2
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Just been round my local specialist camera shop on they off chance they had some Paterson reels in stock.

Little did I know but they stock a full range of tanks/reels etc as well as loads of Ilford chemicals, so that will come in very handy

They also had an old Zeiss Icoflex II in very good condition for £69. Way over what I could probably get one for on eBay, but it was very pretty . Managed to resist

They also had a couple of Bronica ETRSi bodies and lenses. Tempted to get one, but I am going to hold out for a SQ-A to keep the square format that I love with the Holga.

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They also had a couple of Bronica ETRSi bodies and lenses. Tempted to get one, but I am going to hold out for a SQ-A to keep the square format that I love with the Holga.
I keep lusting after a Bronnie as they come up real cheap on ebay occasionally.
You're right though - the square format has a little something about it.

I'm starting to think that film's only worth playing with if you do mono or medium format. I took a bunch of pictures while in Morocco this year. I've just had them developed and I'm slightly disappointed.
It's not that there's anything wrong with them, but I suspect that for straight colour work, digital has the edge now.

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It's a different story with mono, MF and special cameras though. Some of the posts I've seen on here from plastic cameras are pretty magical, but just s technically well exposed colour picture...I'm not sure.
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Handy to know they stock all your processing needs. I'd like a pro 6x6 system, but picked up a cheap Pentacon Six to try out instead. Got lucky twice and found a cheap body & 80mm lens locally and a 50mm lens from the Ukraine for just over £80 all in through eBay, but I really must get the body sent in for a service as it has shutter problems with faster speeds (the grease in the shutter mechanism "gets sticky" after many years) and considering it was made in 1966-67 it could do with one!

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I'm starting to think that film's only worth playing with if you do mono or medium format. I took a bunch of pictures while in Morocco this year. I've just had them developed and I'm slightly disappointed.
It's not that there's anything wrong with them, but I suspect that for straight colour work, digital has the edge now.
It's a different story with mono, MF and special cameras though. Some of the posts I've seen on here from plastic cameras are pretty magical, but just s technically well exposed colour picture...I'm not sure.
I agree. I'm actually thinking of selling my 35mm film cameras on, obviously keeping the digital and shooting 120 film (and 4x5 if I can find a cheap camera!).

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I'm starting to think that film's only worth playing with if you do mono or medium format. I took a bunch of pictures while in Morocco this year. I've just had them developed and I'm slightly disappointed.
I know exactly where you are coming from.

Regardelss, I expect I will carry on shooting 35mm C41 film for a while yet because of the 99p processing at Tesco that makes it so cheap that it would be rude not to. But it will mostly be in toy cameras, or old Rangefinders that I am playing around with.

Plus of course there is the whole 35mm in an MF camera to play with - sprocket holes and all

But I doubt I will do much straight colour 35mm C41 in a normal SLR, if at all.
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I just can't stop buying "toy" cameras...

There's a Sintex waiting for me at the PO...
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Riddle me this - I love, no adore, shooting the OM4Ti.
If I had a choice, I would only ever use that camera...but...but the results from it (on colour) just aren't as good as they are from my EOS digital.

I think the problem is that when you shoot colour from a very good film SLR, it doesn't impart any character to the picture. It's not meant to because it's meant to be a precision instrument...but it's been superceded.

Shooting mono is something else - mono film just looks different from mono conversions, even mono conversions from the best of the current digital devices I've seen. For instance, Radiohead's mono portraits are stunning, but they're obviously not film. Apologies to Radiohead, but there's something still missing* there if you're from a film background. A medium format mono film picture just looks amazing. And even mono from a smaller format has something to it.

I wish...really wish, that Olympus or someone had the guts to produce a digital camera that felt as good to hold and use as the '70s classics. The lovely solid metal bodies, the clunk of the mirrors and the clicky dials. Just stick a little display on the back of an OM4Ti and I'd be in heaven! It's small too!

Oh, and the lenses on the OM system are lovely...and the focussing screen...and the viewfinder...I could go on.

Don't even get me started on how much fun a Rollei TLR is to use in this day and age! The number of people who come up and talk to me because I've got one...and they aren't police officers asking me to delete pictures!





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I used to dream of an OM2...

(and I was never asked to delete any photos )
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Well, My Kine Exakta (1938), which is, infant, the direct parent of ALL of your 35MM SLR's, is back from servicing and doing a nice job.

The Puffing Billy - Tyseley 100

And then the film popped off the spool! Doh!
Exaktas, OK they have issues, but at least they screw up in cool ways! - Tyseley 100

Woz, I have a Beau Brownie. It looks nicer than the pictures you get out of it!
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I used to dream of an OM2...
Got one!
and an OM10 an OM30, an OM4Ti, 35RC, Trip, Mju...do you think I have a problem?


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(and I was never asked to delete any photos )
/whisper it: I've never been asked either
Doesn't stop me being paranoid about it though!
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Yup, proper b&w film is another league altogether. I use mostly Ilford HP5+, but I think I have a couple of rolls of Fuji Neopan 120 in my freezer.

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Wasn't there talk some time ago of a b&w only digital camera?
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Wasn't there talk some time ago of a b&w only digital camera?
TheOnlinePhotographer harps on about it a lot and I think I've seen it mentioned in both Amateur Photographer and Black and White Photograpy (naturally).

It's something to do with a CCD that only measures luminance. It can be more sensitive and have way more effective pixels. I'd love one, especially if they saw fit to put it in a small metal body with a fast prime lens on the front (24mm, 50mm or 85mm - I don't mind which). Maybe even a rangefinder.
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Thats lovely boink. Reminds me of the glow from my pinhole. Need to get the tripod mount sorted better on that actually. Theres a later ful-vue with a built in tripod mount, but a clean condition one goes for around 20 quid, which is a shocking amount for a box camera!

By the way, has anybody found any way to frame square format images?

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By the way, has anybody found any way to frame square format images?
Ikea Ribba Frames in three or four different wood colours, with sizes 23x23cm and 50x50cm. I have a row of the small ones in Birch with 4 inch Holga photos inside and they look good. Going to get some black frames for b&w prints.
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Been on the lookout for a Trip to muck about with - sadly no longer the staple product of most Charity shops!! What I did find, however, in wild & windy Brid this weekend was an Olympus 35RC for a paltry tenner!!! Bit grubby, but seems cosmetic. For that money, though, I'll take a punt
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I've been a member of the ToyCamera.com website & forum for a couple of years now. They put out a quarterly magazine called "Light Leaks" of Holga and other toy camera photos and discussions.
I managed to get a couple of photos printed in previous issues and for the latest magazine the given photo theme was "Cliff Hangers". I decided at the last minute to send a photo in and shot a roll of colour film in about half an hour. My other half had just bought herself a very bright red coat and I thought it would be ideal for a photo.
Anyway, this is what I came up with:

Then the doorbell rang.
Then the door bell rang

As you can see it has the classic Holga look, with blurred, dark corners and even a light leak. Had a hell of a time keeping the red on the coat when converting it from RGB to CMYK, but I got pretty close in the end.

I was chuffed to get the photo accepted for inclusion in the current magazine, but when I downloaded the PDF preview (2Mb download) I find I made the cover!

They also did a good job with the colour of the coat (I'd included a RGB jpeg with the CMYK file for colour matching purposes), however when my other half saw the scanned negative she decided the colour wasn't her and sent the coat back for a refund.
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Congrats Boink - that's a great shot.

I've looked around the Toycamera website a few times, but never got round to joining the forums. (Forums you can't even view without registering just irritate me)

I might have to get the latest LightLeaks if it's got a Vivitar UWS article.
I mean I might have to get it for the great cover shot
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Great shot - congrats.

Got my Holga with me today for PaD. Going to Tesco on the way home to do some shopping which is always an excuse to shoot some 35mm for the 99p processing. Going to try some redscale with the Holga as it is such a bright day down here.
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I've just been given an OM1n with a 50mm f1.8, a Sigma 35-105 zoom and a Jessops 2x teleconverter. The camera fires at all speeds and sounds right and all the controls do what they ar supposed to. However the battery was flat but I sourced some 1.35v batteries from the USA. i was gutted when I put them in and found the lightmeter is stuffed!

I need to get it serviced but I have no idea where to go to get a good job done on it, has anyone got any ideas on who I should send it too?
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I know quite a few of you have "Modern" autofocus film SLR's. I could use some recommendations:

I normally do "Proper" shooting with either an all manual Exakta or a Manual focus Pentax Me-Super

Most of the time I'm shooting architecture / sculpture / things that don't tend to move much, and the slow pace of life with the manual cameras works for me.

There have been a few times in the last month manual focus has been hard work and I've been missing shots. Rather than dig out a much underused Digital Prosumer (Which i hate), I've been thinking it might be time to look at an autofocus film SLR.

Musts:
Decent autofocus
Accurate and largely brainless Matrix Metering
Reasonably abuse resistant
ISO can be manually set (No fiddling about with film carts trying to change the DX Codings, If it picks this up and allows override then fine!)

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Cheapish glass available
Not being covered in a cheap and nasty looking silver finish which chips off easily.
Batterys that don't drain toooo quickly

Cost: Maybe £100 for a body and 50-100 for glass? Less is better, long as i'm not loosing out on a vastly superior model to save a few pennys.

Glass wise, I could probably live with a 28-80 Zoom (A 2.8 might be nice, could make do with something like an F4 kit lens). For later expansion, I like to shoot on the wide end of the scale, so if the lens range did include something around 20mm that would tick a box as well. Motordrive is not a specific requirement.
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